Paranormal Lockdown - Shadow CREEPER Video - Real or Fake?

a reply to: NotAPaidShill

I think I would prefer the opinions of fellow autistic skitzo's than your shallow viewpoint. I feel nothing but sympathy for you. Poor thing!

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

yes if i ever encounter any paranormal entity it wont get a shred of my fear, cause i believe they feed of that sht.
there's nothing to fear but fear itself!!

a reply to: vlawde

True. I just don't understand why he'd leave Ghost Adventures after complaining about how they do things, and then go off on his own and do the same thing, if not worse. That's probably coloring my perspective. Just like his other show, Ghosts of Shepherdstown, it's alot of made-up drama because they rarely catch anything. Not that what they catch isn't legit--it just has a lot of fluff in between, so I can see why people doubt the validity.

a reply to: Aedaeum

My favorites are The Dead Files and Ghost Adventures

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
unless you have witnessed such activity you can't really discount these things

So only people who have seen a ghost are allowed to claim ghosts don't exist?

a reply to: rukia

How are the Dead Files? I haven't checked those out, I wasn't sure if it was real or sensationalized.

Those are video compression artifacts caused by the extreme low-light conditions.

I realize this thread is a bit old. I got a laugh out of the arguing that has gone on with believers and non believers. I rarely comment about any productions I work with, and am still under non disclosure for this production, however, my comment would not violate my contract.

As the camera operator, I did not adjust contrast, manipulate the waveform, vector, exposure, etc.

The topic of discussion is still TBD by others.

Rob

a reply to: gripactioncut

Hey Rob, always good to get input from those actually involved in a topic.

Like I commented earlier, I couldn't see it when it first aired on the show, but after watching this clip and others afterwards, there IS something that looks like a figure crawling there. My question to you is, did you only spot it through your viewfinder, or did you also see it with your own eyes?

wn

a reply to: vlawde

Hello vlawde. I simply can't answer the question per my contract. We can discuss production in general however.

For my work on this production, I used a XDCAM and shot in 60i, which is not uncommon for many "lower budget" reality productions. It's simply not the type of lens we would use on a sound stage or production which would require controlled lighting. Further, productions with a much higher budget for example, Survivor, would use Panasonic Varicams which would produce a very high quality shot, including shots in low light conditions.

Think of it this way, any time you use a consumer DV Cam in low light, especially in digi zoom, it's not uncommon to get anomalies from the pattern of the "pixels" in the shot. Make sense?

As far as what production may or may not see during a shoot, may not be the same as what talent may see or hear. Cam operators are watching through a viewfinder, the segment producer has a small backlit portable monitor and the sound tech is wearing headsets, as we all are, listening through the mic. So, again, what we see and hear may very well be different than that of talent simply due to the equipment.

If they say they saw or heard something, they may ask that we cut and run playback for them. After we all review, we resume the shoot. BTW, producers lose it when they do that, lol. Some may see or hear something, some may not.

Some say talent may see or hear things due to working in the dark or low light for hours during production (as in plays with their minds). Some say talent is very passionate about their work and do hear and see what the camera or mic picks up or doesn't. Some say at the end of the day, it's a business. No viewers, no advertising, no income, no profits = no show!

As far as working in the dark or low light for hours at a time, I can say that for me, I got it handed to me one day! We were filming in a warehouse segment, as talent made a comment "what was that?", I hear her say it but couldn't find it in the viewfinder so I was panning and zooming as fast as I could. The sound tech found the need to reach down and grab my lag. It scared the crap out of me. I started to run and ran into a pole and busted my nose! The first thing the segment producer said was, is the camera ok? After a few choice words, the medics bandaged my nose, we all had a good laugh and resumed shooting. The point being, as many hours of shooting in the darkness and having talent constantly saying what's that or did you hear that, it will get to you, real or not.

Rob

Thanks, appreciate the info. I get the low lighting pixel comment, when I first got into the field I learned that very quickly. Not sure if you can comment on this, but I assume at times there are more people there that just the 3 of you?

originally posted by: rukia
a reply to: vlawde

True. I just don't understand why he'd leave Ghost Adventures after complaining about how they do things, and then go off on his own and do the same thing, if not worse. That's probably coloring my perspective. Just like his other show, Ghosts of Shepherdstown, it's alot of made-up drama because they rarely catch anything. Not that what they catch isn't legit--it just has a lot of fluff in between, so I can see why people doubt the validity.

a reply to: Aedaeum

My favorites are The Dead Files and Ghost Adventures

To be fair we never did get a answer on why he did leave.

originally posted by: vlawde
a reply to: rukia

Show wasn't cancelled, it was renewed.


Boring? May be, but they really didn't get much first season. Destination America seems like a cheap network, most shows are old reruns from other networks, and so far they won't commit to more than 6 episodes of any new series

I like Destination America. I still watch "A Haunting." I like "Paranormal Witness." I am kind of, meh, on "Paranormal Lockdown," frankly.

I saw absolutely nothing.

@ NotaPaidSchill

Do you have any proof of your reproach?
Or you're just a unfortunate uneducated drone whose parents have ruined his life (Job at Wallmart, Gas station construction site, office, DVM etc. ...)?
;-), but seriously...

You follow the (stupid) "argumentation" of the "Pseudeosceptics".
A sect, for example "CSICOP", "GWUP" etc..

Their intellectual niveau:

"It must be fraud, because spirits do not exist".
You notice that is a scientifically impermissible statement.

Even scientists who do not accept the existence of spirits, will confirm this (unscientific).

=> www.debunkingskeptics.com...

You could visit the Hinsdale House (also called Dandy House) in the state of New York.
Spend a few days and nights there.
I think you're too cowardly to spend a few days in this house *chickens cluck*.

If Groff does not lie about episode S01E05, after the 72h he had nightmares for weeks (unusual). Every night at 3 o'clock...
And the housekeeper (I think akin to Lorraine Warren) reported that he heard in his regular EVP recordings as "something" asked "where is Nick?".


@ vlawde
I had already recognized the human form when I first saw it in the original episode without "enhancing" etc. on TLC over sat DVB-2 with 1920x1080i!
No "snake" like the camera operator etc. claimed.
And let's not forget, the camera operator has probably seen it with his own eyes. Or?




@ NotaPaidSchill

Well, I didn't watch the video, and I won't.

Oh veeery serious, "and I won't" 0_o .
Here is the medal "Hero of science"...
Real scientists look down on all-deniying-debunker-honks with contempt.

I believe that your relative is a crazy esoteric.
That proves that there are no ghosts?

I hope you tell everyone in the face (also grandparents) that his faith in God is a mental disorder. Siegmund Freud called it an "infantile neurosis with father complex". A real mental disorder.

Also, as an atheist and non-esoteric, you are allowed to assume that spirits exist.



By the way, you know the "Philip-Experiment" by the "Owen-Group"?
Not a ghost from a real dead person, but successfull. Also two other groups.



Other good scene, the hangmans knot in the shrewsbury jail episode.

Strange twitching. No wind, and impossible moved by wind.




By the way, I ALSO believe IR light is not good for filming very weak light shining ghosts.
I see no difference in visible light and IR light in a video.
visible light would "overshining" every weak shining appearance.
The same with IR light.
Bit in this scene, they had luck, because the IR light was not very intensive at the far wall.
Perhaps, completely without light or IR light, the appearance would be better to see in this video.

My advice:
Capture everything at the same time in multiple versions.
Visible, thermal image, IR.
IR radiates into the visible? Yes and no.
The camera for visible light with good IR filter.
IR camera with IR light (to see the room).
No further light.
Thermal camera.

And if possible:
3D mapping camera. "Kinect" ...
Yes, there is legitimate criticism. But it is legitimate to check it out.
Distribute EM meters. Distributes "REM pods" in the room (or field, if outside).
If you see a dimly lit phenomenon in the visible light, you can check if there is a cold spot in the same place. Or a "stickman" in the Kinect image.
And you can see if an EM detector sounded alarm.
Redundancy.




@ rukia
"boring" is better as real fakes ;-) .
The reality is not always very spectacular.

But for believing in ghosts and also "Demons", we do not need "god"!
Also if a "demon" or ghost says "stop god" (some episode), "god" does not have to exist.
There are also people they believe in god, why not a ghost (from a dead believing) from a dead person. Or a "demon". If "demons" exist, we do not know about their upcoming.
Perhaps an imprint from rituals over years. Google for the "Philips-Experiment", or "Psychogon".
Also rituals over hundreds or thousends of years of a old native culture.
They ask evil spirits in rites and cults to inflict no harm on them, and thus create the thing.

Here is a copy of this Scene:
dai.ly...
But not the best quality.

What is the problem with this format.
Do you missing "uniforms" with big yellow letters? "FBI" looking people?
Hmmm, this behaviour is a little bit infantile.
And 72h is better than a few hours.
"TAPS" has visited a castle in austria.
The local people critizise the short film shootings etc.. Not professional...


@ OneGoal
Yes, it could be that these ignorant people believe "to protect other people".
Very arrogant ...

There are also many very intelligent people, also with science degree, also physicists with docto titles, who believe in the existence of spirits, and that aliens visit the earth.

And then comes a horde of stupid drones in low work, no special education, which try to look "intelligent".

This seems to me more serious than many other formats.
Other formats only tell a story. With actors.
This is OK, but why not also original material (if the whitnesses, often "ghost hunters" like the overweight guy with headscarf, or this father/daughter etc.)?
I think it is "Paranormal Survivor". There are original recordings.
Or?




@gripactioncut

"survivor"?
"Paranormal Survivor"?
I remember, There are only the speaking witnesses in front of the camera. actors, and some original recordings and audios.
But no live action in the haunted places.

It looks very video artifact to me. This is where personal perceptions need to be taken out, so while I can look at it and think I see something, others I've shown the video to can't. This tells me that what I think is there isn't since if it was others would have seen it in the frame captures too.

Having studied the Shadow Society for decades now, I've learned that personal bias sometimes can contaminate perceptions. The easiest way to over come this is to take a frame capture that you feel has the best image of the "whatever" in it, and show it to others without stating what they should be looking for. If they can see the same thing as you, then maybe you're on to something, other ways it's just personal bias.


As to this side discussion on "Paranormal", ghosts, goblins, or whatever are no different then Cryptozoological creatures. When scientific evidence is gathered to prove or disprove these things, then it can go from "Paranormal" to just scientifically accepted normal. So to say that "Paranormal" doesn't exist means that everything there is to know, is known. We can all agree at least that that isn't the case so somethings are normal and somethings are other than normal or "Paranormal".

You sound so certain of what is real and what isn’t. Did you sleep through 1999? 95% of the world around you is dark energy and dark matter. That means you have absolutely no idea what is actually going on around you 95% of the time. At least these people are trying to see what we have been missing.

You act like a fly staring at a freckle on Mona Lisa who says “I know she’s not smiling. No one has ever proven smiling exists.”

Next time you think you know what’s “real”, remember everything you think you “know” comprises only a small percentage of the 5% of reality we even knew existed before 1999. (Yes I know the theory has been around longer than that, but the undisputed consensus occurred in the 1990’s.)

Stop being so cocky. It’s the difference between being prudently cynical and ignorantly close minded.


Sara a reply to: NotAPaidShill

Curious if anyone knows what just happened with Paranormal Lockdown? Nick made a cryptic tweet video a few hours ago, implying the show has been recast, and he's basically been fired. ANyone know any specifics and why they'd do this?

originally posted by: NotAPaidShill
Well, I didn't watch the video, and I won't. Here is why: the paranormal is fake. It is a massive fraud perpetrated by liars and attention seekers. Any so called paranormal footage is fake. You would have to be an autistic schizophrenic to believe in such rubbish. One of my relatives believes in the paranormal, he is a tin-foil whack job who is mentally ill and locked away in an insane asylum.

I'm don't buy into these paranormal ghost hunting shows either, and until about two years ago, I didn't buy into the paranormal much at all. I can tell you I now know that ghosts (or whatever you want to call them) are definitely real. Recent experiences have changed my mindset, and I'm as normal as they come. I have spent countless hours trying to find anything to offer a non-paranormal explanation to the things my wife and I witnessed and I'm quite convinced that there is paranormal activity going on where our house was built. If you would have experienced it with us, you'd believe also.

Turns out the show is cancelled and Nick is pissed. I guess Travel Channel won't make an announcement so Nick did.