Elizabeth Klarer & Aliens from the Proxima Centauri System (Our Neighbors!)

a reply to: Nochzwei

Except she is proven wrong, such as on her moon theory.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: intrptr

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i have to pay to acess the site?

You don't? Cool.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Nochzwei

Except she is proven wrong, such as on her moon theory.

Any theory on the moon today is still just a theory, right? Or am I wrong? Is there some substantial proof about the moon and how it came to be?

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: AboveBoard

hey that flying saucer hill is true. in few of my oobe i boarded a flying saucer or ufo there. it was rather large and also spoke with akon. there were akon like people on board.

Have you put up a thread in the "Grey Area" forum about it yet? If so, please link, if not, you might consider it...

Thanks so much for joining in!

- AB

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Interesting article about Klarer. Not a whole lot of new info, but it does tell a little bit about her "earth" husbands. She doesn't talk about them much at all in her book so I was curious.

laurenbeukes.bookslive.co.za...

I am just reading this - very good find, kaylaluv!! Thank you so much for digging it up and posting it!

I had missed the part in her autobiography where she got divorced, remarried and divorced again. Why? I don't know - I think I started skimming too fast to try and get a sense of whether or not the "Venusian" thing was in her later autobiography or just her earlier quotes.

I couldn't find a date earlier than 1980 for the autobiography's publication, so unless I'm mistaken, it was written after she had earlier claimed the men were living on Venus.

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: neutronflux
Posted once before, Jupiter would have to be 80 more times missive to be a red draw. Not even close.

Well .. a well known,
Remote Viewer involving in some CIA and American Government projects
Ingo Swann I think ?

Had Once Said , that in an another Dimension

Jupiter is a Sun and the moons are Planets

I like Ingo Swann. I had not remembered this particular bit of information, though. Any chance you'd have time to look it up? I will google a bit and see if I can find a reference, too...

Thanks! (Though "dimension" might be replaced with "parallel universe" unless he's talking about some kind of "higher vibrational state" or something...????)

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: AboveBoard

It's a great story for sure, but I just don't understand the fact that Meton chose her because it somehow strengthens their bloodlines.

She said she was on his planet for an equivilent of 9 their years, 4 months earth time, but had to return due to it affecting her heart physically.

My question is if in fact Meton chose her to strengthen the bloodline, would the genetics of the heart issues not plague their offspring?

That is indeed a very good question.

We can speculate the possibility that Akon, if we assume he is real, and his people had methods by which they could use epigenetic and genetic manipulation?? I really don't know. I'm just making things up here, but it seems possible, if her story were real, that something like that could be done for Aylin.

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Nochzwei

Except she is proven wrong, such as on her moon theory.

Any theory on the moon today is still just a theory, right? Or am I wrong? Is there some substantial proof about the moon and how it came to be?

Isotope analysis done in the not too distant past shows the moon almost certainly came from another planet colliding into Earth. I linked the source already.
2016

A new analysis of lunar samples, collected during the Apollo 12, 15, and 17 missions, by DCO’s Ed Young (University of California Los Angeles, USA) and colleagues backs up the giant impact theory

deepcarbon.net...

2014

A new analysis of lunar rocks now supports the idea that the moon was born in a gigantic collision between the nascent Earth and a mysterious planet-size rock, scientists say.

www.space.com...

2014

They extracted oxygen from all the samples and then passed it through the spectrometer to find out the proportions of each isotope. Their conclusion was that the lunar samples had an O-17 to O-16 ratio that was 12 parts per million higher than rocks derived from Earth’s mantle. This difference “supports the view that the Moon formed by a giant collision of the proto-Earth with [an impactor],”

www.sciencemag.org...

originally posted by: shimmeringsilver73
I grew up in South Africa, and have been aware of Elizabeth Klarer's story since I was a young girl. In fact - I first read her book at the age of 12 (even though I do believe I did not then have the maturity to delve deeply into the science and physics described in her book - I probably only enjoyed it from the 'romantic aspect' - a handsome tall blond alien humanoid stranger from another world - oh my!!!'). Thereafter I lent the book to a pen-pal in Denmark, only to have it disappear forever.

The last week has been marked by various coincidences, and I have been playing with the idea of doing a thread for ATS on Elizabeth Klarer - the OP jumped me on this!

I have for many years been wanting to order another copy of "Beyond the Light Barrier". Last week Saturday I had some time to kill, and went into a random thrift store where I rummaged through their second-hand books. Imagine my surprise when I laid my hand on 'Beyond the Light Barrier' - priced at a measly sum of R 5.00 (not even enough to buy a half a loaf of bread in our country). I snatched it up, and opened up the inside cover of the book. Inside the cover of the book was the details of the book's previous owner and address - and I was gobsmacked to discover that the book had belonged to previous clients of mine. I marketed these people's house on an exclusive mandate basis a few years back (an Austrian elderly couple), and I knew them quite well (or so I thought - pity I didn't know that they were into Elizabeth Klarer!). Alas - they have since passed away.

That evening I started to read the book for the second time (with a different level of insight and maturity this time around).

Later in the week I read a thread on ATS relating to the discovery of a potential 'Earth-like' planet in Proxima Centauri, and my thoughts immediately raced to the book that I was currently reading. What a coincidence - that the book should cross my path a few days before the publication of this news!

My mother had a friend who knew Elizabeth Klarer in the last few years of her life. She described Elizabeth Klarer as a 'mature and elegant woman who spoke little, but radiated a stunning beauty - almost like a golden energy'. She was described as being very humble, down-to-earth, yet she had a glint in her eye that hinted at vast wisdom and experience.' My mom's friend was convinced that Elizabeth Klarer spoke the truth and was a very sincere human being, or at least absolutely believed that what she experienced was the truth.

Her book is filled with detailed explanations surrounding the propulsion system of the ship and Meton's technologies - and the tone of her retelling is very sincere. Even though I am sitting on the fence on this one, I am leaning towards 'credible'.

An interesting extract from page 50 of her book:-

"The key to all life and the Universe lies in harmonic interaction of light. A mathematical formula for all transportation lies in the vibratory frequencies of light-harmonic, with anti-gravity waves and time waves, which are simply the frequency rate between each pulse of the spiral of light. By controlling this frequency rate, the flow of time can be varied, and one simply moves within one's environment within the protection of the spaceship instantaneously from one planet to another, or one solar system to another, where time, as a geometric, is controlled or eliminated."

"And the speed of light, is that also a geometric?" I asked.

"We speak of the measure of light, and not of the speed of light. Light gives the illusion of velocity, when in reality it is a pulse resonating in the frequencies of time and gravity. Thereby, our galaxy is created to the universal geometric harmonics of light - light is a universal geometric. Time and gravity, or a reversal in the flow of time and anti-gravity, can be achieved by altering the energy of light pulsing through space and through the atmosphere of planets, and throughout all creation, as microatoms of light form the atoms of all gases, liquids and solids.

"As I mentioned before, the unified differentials of light interact to create a vacuum encircling the ship and she moves without the restriction of speed, without sound, as the molecules of atmosphere are pushed aside instead of piling up in atmospheric flight. In space, the unified field of light creates a shift in space and time; no velocity is involved, only a shift in frequency as the spaceship vibrates in harmonic resonance to interact with the wave energy of light pulsing throughout the galaxy, simply using the fabric of space itself, which is light, vibrating in frequencies of wave form in alternate pulses of matter and antimatter, and thereby overcoming the problems of space travel beyond the light barrier.

'Earth scientists still have the restriction of the sound barrier in atmospheric flight. Perhaps they will note that there is no restriction which causes the sonic boom, if they can perfect an aircraft to push aside the molecules of air, instead of allowing the molecules to pile up against the craft.'


And so the book goes on and on - huge amount of details on explanations that sometimes go completely over my head. Not bad - considering a woman wrote this who was raised in 'apartheid-era South Africa' in the 1950's and 60's - in a country where religion, dogmatism and patriarchy was at the order of the day.

I wanted to quote your response in full because it was such an interesting contribution! I liked the moment of synchronicity with the Beyond the Light Barrier book - it was very striking.

Sorry to steal your thunder!!!
Then again, great minds think alike? I so appreciate you jumping in and boosting the thread with your input.


The fact that your mother had a friend in common with Ms. Klarer is really significant - it is a personal character reference that you can take seriously.

The story has some gaping holes and definite "mystery" about it - I am hoping someone here will look at the science aspects with fresh and knowledgeable eyes, as that would help in determining the veracity of any claims she made.

Such events and stories are hard to know what to do with -- they seem almost absurd on the surface, and then there will be enough detail or some interesting connections made that keep me scratching my head, digging for more. So I, too, am on the fence, or at least suspending ultimate "judgement" in an effort to remain open minded.

If you think of anything else, please post it!!

- AB

originally posted by: AboveBoardI am hoping someone here will look at the science aspects

I already linked many sources showing she was dead wrong on the Moon. Basically she made crap up.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Thank you for posting all of that!

The question I have, is could Jupiter have had this "planet" at the fringe of it's orbit before it slammed into Earth, when Jupiter itself was drawn into the larger gravitational pull of Sol? You see, what I understood her as saying was that the moon was "alien" to Sol because it had first been attached gravitationally to Jupiter...

So that would still fit with what EK said... ??? I don't know. Just throwing that out there.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Thank you for posting all of that!

The question I have, is could Jupiter have had this "planet" at the fringe of it's orbit before it slammed into Earth, when Jupiter itself was drawn into the larger gravitational pull of Sol?

That would still fit with what EK said...

No, it would not. The moon is not alien to this system. The moon is mostly made up of the Earth. How did the Moon come with Jupiter when it's the result of a PLANET (not a moon) colliding with Earth?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Hm. I see what you are saying.

I'm not sure she gave enough details on that to be able to rigidly interpret what she meant.

Could it have been a rogue free-floating planet, thus "alien to our system?" Could it have been initially caught by Jupiter, but it's gravity wasn't strong enough to keep it, so it was pulled out by Sol and flung into our Earth?

What happened to the rest of the planet that hit us?? Incinerated? Why don't we have an asteroid belt around us from the shattered Planet? Did it "join" with our Earth in part or simply shatter against us, causing us to expel matter back out from Earth, combining that with what was left of the Planet Rock and thus it became the "moon?"

Just because we potentially have a strong case for one piece of the puzzle in regards to the formation of the moon, doesn't mean we have the full story, no?

The point is a foreign, not-Earth planet-sized rock came from somewhere - a giant "free planet" suddenly captured by Sol as it sped along its spiral path - or perhaps Jupiter and Sol joined into one system, Jupiter falling into orbit with the Sun's greater mass and gravity, bringing with it it's own moon/planetiods, and one of them on the outskirts got pulled towards sol, thus slamming into us?

I don't see why this is impossible???

a reply to: AboveBoard

There is no connection to Jupiter and the Moon. At all. She is proven wrong.

ETA: The Moon was likely two moons at one point that eventually joined together.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Out of curiosity, how would you know if it was or wasn't?

Where did this other planet come from?? There is more than one possibility.

I get that you are saying she is wrong because of your understanding and interpretation of what she said. I get that you see no connection between Jupiter and the moon -- you may very well be 100% correct, but I don't see where the details of exactly how the moon was formed has been demonstrated or proven beyond the planet-crash being the strongest and most likely theory.

a reply to: AboveBoard

It was a planet orbiting the Sun that was likely pushed by Venus into Earth.

She quite clearly states the Moon is foreign. It's not. The Earth and Moon formed when 2 planets orbiting the sun collided. They both are the result of that collision.

She is quite clearly wrong. You appear to WANT her to be right ... which is what her and her kind prey upon.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Jupiter's 'Smashing' Migration May Explain Our Oddball Solar System

Wandering Jupiter

The researchers modeled a leading scenario for the formation of Jupiter and Saturn known as the "Grand Tack," wherein Jupiter arose first and migrated toward the sun until Saturn formed, which caused Jupiter to reverse course and migrate outward to its current orbit. They calculated what might happen if a set of rocky planets formed in the inner solar system before Jupiter migrated inward. [Photos of Jupiter: The Jovian Giant]

In the early solar system, the sun was surrounded by a dense disk of gas and dust. This suggests that any inner rocky planets forming might have eventually become super-Earths such as many of the exoplanets that astronomers have seen around other stars.

However, as Jupiter moved inward, its gravitational pull would have slung these nascent inner worlds into close-knit, overlapping orbits. This would have set off a series of collisions that smashed these newborn worlds into pieces.

"It's the same thing we worry about if satellites were to be destroyed in low-Earth orbit," Laughlin said in a statement. "Their fragments would start smashing into other satellites and you'd risk a chain reaction of collisions. Our work indicates that Jupiter would have created just such a collisional cascade in the inner solar system."

My questions regarding the moon are not so implausible. The theory I just posited happens to be a theory actually being put forth by current science. (Akon didn't tell me, though... ) Well, in this scenario, Jupiter is "alone" as it wreaks havoc through the new solar system, but it is not impossible that it already had its own satellites before crashing into Sol's greater gravity...

- AB

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Venus is another instance where she is quite clearly wrong .. and it's likely Venus had no surface water BILLIONS of years ago.

DG: How long the water lasted is the question we're trying to answer. A number that's often used is 600 million years.

As a young planet, Venus was losing hydrogen rapidly to space. The oceans boiled off, and after some period of time, perhaps 600 million years, there was no surface water. Then the surface and the climate were very much in the state that we see today.

AM: So, the water was lost around 4 billion years ago, at the end of the heavy bombardment period?

DG: Yeah, perhaps around that time.

www.space.com...

a reply to: AboveBoard

Your source just proved her wrong. Your source just said Jupiter and these planets are native to Sol.

Your source says nothing about the Moon.

There is literally nothing in your source that supports this tale.

Akon says to Elizabeth: “The Moon is alien to this system and came with Jupiter

False. Feel free to source Jupiter and Earth's moon both being foreign to this system.

I already sourced the Moon is NOT foreign, and is made up mostly of Earth itself.

ETA: The moon being captured by the Earth was a possible theory. She bet on it. She lost.

She is a fraud.