Donald J. Trump next President of the United States of America

a reply to: windword

It sounds exactly like revelation. As for Hilary, she has a record in public office that we can criticize.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Donald Trump also has a public record that can be criticized.

a reply to: windword

A public record about his work in the private sector, but not while he is working in public office while on the people's dime.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Still, hiss campaign is based around his personal reputation, as well as his personal wallet, and running on the Republican platform. No getting around that.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Still, hiss campaign is based around his personal reputation, as well as his personal wallet, and running on the Republican platform. No getting around that.

There is nothing wrong with that, so there is no sense in trying to get around it.

Is this a thread for political discussion, or is it a campaign ad?

Trump is not sacrificing anything. His companies and properties are making money off of his own campaign. As has been the case with many GOP presidential candidates, they use the political process as a way to make money. There's more money in losing.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So, then you admit that we can judge Donald Trump's character by his public reputation? We can judge what he'll do in office by looking at the Republican Platform. A platform that calls for more military action, the militarization of local police forces, more "religious" freedom laws elevating the Christian right above pesky civil right laws, promises to add a constitutional amendment granting equal rights to embryos and to enact laws to make abortion illegal and Roe V Wade obsolete.....that vows to repeal, not fix, the Affordable Care Act......

So, if you want more of The Patriot Act, more Religious right people refusing to do their jobs, more people going without healthcare, food and shelter, more police violence, if you want the maternal death rate to rise, vote Republican!

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

Why would he still be interested in making a profit at his age? I think he just got to that point in life where you are looking more for meaning than material things.

soulwaxer

a reply to: windword

Of course you can judge his character in any way you feel. Whether you can prove your judgements, and why you think they are a problem, is another question. We can also look at objective results instead of our subjective feelings.

a reply to: soulwaxer

Why would he still be interested in making a profit at his age? I think he just got to that point in life where you are looking more for meaning than material things.

A man with a gold plated toilet can never have enough material things.

Well, he's already sacrificed his dignity - that's one thing. See this week's naked Trump statues for details. Guess it's okay for Melania to be naked to the world, but I imagine he's hopping mad.

I hope his watered-down security briefing (See Spot Run-style) has chastened him a bit, but that's unlikely. He hasn't got the presence of mind nor the humility to realize that he's angling for the most difficult job on the planet, with the most unknowables that can go wrong. Nor does he care, which is only one of the scary things.

Anyone who is willing to vote for Donny with all the information out there on what kind of person he really is (not the fake benefactor he is when he's got a camera around), who has heard him promote violence, made it clear that the rule of law means nothing to him ('I'll pay your legal fees' -because he has a team of lawyers willing to keep him out of jail, so why should he worry about you if you follow his lead?), that he's an OBVIOUS narcissistic sociopath... if after all this you're thinking of voting for him, I have no hope for your political educational salvation.

Maybe when everything that CAN go wrong, DOES go wrong, will you learn.

They're called World Wars. The people who start them never pay the price.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

I've never seen so much card stacking, and all of it used to justify the ridiculous notion that Trump will start world wars. I hope I never get on your bad side. Blaming Trump for the naked statues was a nice touch, though.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He's a demagogue. What kind of person do YOU think starts World Wars?

And I didn't blame Trump for his naked statues, although a case could be made for that. He deserved the comeuppance.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

As for his disregard for the rule of law, self-defence is protected by law. As Trump has clearly stated many times, those statements were in regard to people protecting themselves from violence. Should people protect themselves from violence? Sounds reasonable to me.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

To give you some history, I was part of the draft in late 1945 that was put on troop ships bound for the Midway Islands or maybe Australia, we weren't told. There were about 10,000 soldiers on board, most of them 19-25, but I was 30 that year. Fried chicken and coffee for lunch, coffee and fried chicken for dinner. After a few days on board, one night I felt the ship turn - to the right and north. The only thing there was Japan. No one told us what was going on until we reached Tokyo. Turns out it was one and a half days since the verbal surrender, the bombs had just been dropped, and our lives were saved. We were part of the draftees that they planned to use to completely decimate Japan - we were going to wipe out everything, kill everything, burn everything if the bombs hadn't worked. Japan as a nation would have been gone, along with most of us. Those guys didn't mess around; if they ran out of bullets, they ran towards you screaming to their death.

I spent the next two years typing up reports on what had happened towards the end of the war, and afterwards. I know what happens to a slight amount, in a world war, and I saw in real time what happens to get you into one. It all seems so harmless, so 'normal' at first...

All you need are ego and hubris. Mr. Trump has them in spades, and he has utterly no knowledge, nor does he care to acquire any, about the details of international relations or what he's pretending to want to do, job-wise. He's utterly clueless and exceedingly dangerous. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Hirohito? Pikers compared to this guy. And that even one person is taking him seriously, rather than laughing him out of the room or eliminating him from contention without a second thought, is terrifying.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

As for his disregard for the rule of law, self-defence is protected by law. As Trump has clearly stated many times, those statements were in regard to people protecting themselves from violence. Should people protect themselves from violence? Sounds reasonable to me.

No, he wanted people to punch out protestors if they so much as threw a tomato - at HIM. Not self defense. And then his supporters cold-cock protestors being led out by security, because he gets them so riled up. That's only one of numerous instances of violence his drunken yahoo supporters have committed.

He's guilty already of inciting to riot and if I were the chief of police in any of his venues, I'd be standing by ready to arrest him, or deny the rally permit for cause. At the very least I'd be charging him one million dollars a minute to help pay for the security required for his 'visits'.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

I appreciate your insight on the topic.

All you need are ego and hubris. Mr. Trump has them in spades, and he has utterly no knowledge, nor does he care to acquire any, about the details of international relations or what he's pretending to want to do, job-wise. He's utterly clueless and exceedingly dangerous. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Hirohito? Pikers compared to this guy. And that even one person is taking him seriously, rather than laughing him out of the room or eliminating him from contention without a second thought, is terrifying.

I'm not sure how you can say without a doubt that Trump doesn't want to learn. He's an amateur, yes, but his accomplishments alone put him at a tier of leadership that is rarely attained. Once he settles into that chair, we can only assume he will hire the best for the job as he has done with his companies.

None of those dictators have any comparable traits to Donald Trump's history, record, and success.

originally posted by: SentientCentenarian

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: SentientCentenarian

As for his disregard for the rule of law, self-defence is protected by law. As Trump has clearly stated many times, those statements were in regard to people protecting themselves from violence. Should people protect themselves from violence? Sounds reasonable to me.

No, he wanted people to punch out protestors if they so much as threw a tomato - at HIM. Not self defense. And then his supporters cold-cock protestors being led out by security, because he gets them so riled up. That's only one of numerous instances of violence his drunken yahoo supporters have committed.

He's guilty already of inciting to riot and if I were the chief of police in any of his venues, I'd be standing by ready to arrest him, or deny the rally permit for cause. At the very least I'd be charging him one million dollars a minute to help pay for the security required for his 'visits'.

No that's two instances not numerous instances. He's said explicitly and many times that he doesn't want anyone hurt at his rallies, so it isn't fair to card-stack minor hyperboles into a violent straw-man.

He's not guilty of inciting a riot.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm not sure how you can say without a doubt that Trump doesn't want to learn.

By his own admission, when asked whose advise he's interested in hearing, he said that he would be listening to himself..."he has a great brain"

"He's an amateur, yes, but his accomplishments alone put him at a tier of leadership that is rarely attained.

That's debatable.

Once he settles into that chair, we can only assume he will hire the best for the job as he has done with his companies.

Really? The best like Mike Pence, Chris Christie and the Don's own kids, Donald Jr and Ivanka? Or, maybe we can take heart from the recent examples of the incompetent campaign leaders that he's fired, or the new ones from Breitbart? Yeah, that's leadership!

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

" He's an amateur"-

Yup. Without Daddy's money, where would he be? Let him run for dogcatcher first, see how he does. He'd be good at it, his biographers have written about how he used to go and rough up tenants when collecting rent or if his father wanted them out.

You *do* know, right, that the character Biff in Back to the Future was patterned after Trump?

Y'know, the great despots and political mass murderers of history weren't seen as that beforehand. They were often charismatic leaders that many looked up to. They also had bully tendencies and obvious sociopathy evident from the get-go that a critical public could have paid attention to.

We all pay a price when the warnings are ignored.

There are two sane, capable, intelligent third party candidates willing to take on the job who can talk at length about the issues and have obviously done their homework, unlike Trump.

We have options besides the also fatally flawed Hillary.