Secret Service and attendees attacked at Trump Rally....no arrests

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: reldra

Photo ops? No one said not to come. Jeh JOhnson from DHS was there so I call shenanigans on the do not come part.

A 18 wheeler of things that were needed were also brought. He visited many areas. Was there about 4-5 hours. Then left and felw to another rally.

Hillary sat her as at home and Obama golfed.

Sorry....the sitting POTUS responded to Ferguson sooner that this...

They were out celebrating Bill's birthday. Aug 19.

Hard to tweet condolences with a giant frozen margarita in one hand.

I wonder if Huma actually did the communications.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: reldra

Some might argue that.

Joking aside, you cannot be serious and try to justify burning a flag of YOUR country. It's beyond my mind, why is such idiotic action allowed, and why do those idiots go unharmed.

Our Supreme Court has ruled flag burning to be free speech. It's just a piece of cloth and a Chinese made one at that.

Just like the Confederate Battle Flag!!!

Stars and Bars!

Just a piece of cloth, Chinese made.

No biggie!

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: reldra

Photo ops? No one said not to come. Jeh JOhnson from DHS was there so I call shenanigans on the do not come part.

A 18 wheeler of things that were needed were also brought. He visited many areas. Was there about 4-5 hours. Then left and felw to another rally.

Hillary sat her as at home and Obama golfed.

Sorry....the sitting POTUS responded to Ferguson sooner that this...

No one said not to come? And you can't see how taking Emergency Management resources away from the people of Louisiana who need them focused ont he task at hand so that they can attend to an incoming President is a pooor use of limited resources? It makes more sense to reroute over 20% of their resources to accommodate POTUS so he can save face? Interesting approach!

www.dailynewsbin.com...

John Bel Edwards, the Governor of Louisiana, says that President Obama and the White House have been in constant communication with him since the disaster took place, and praised Obama for having “shown that the flooding is a priority.” Edwards has also made clear that he asked the President not to visit the state just yet, due to the drain on resources that a federally protected figure and his necessary entourage can tend to have when traveling into a disaster area.

In other words, President Obama hasn’t gone to Louisiana yet because the state has asked him to wait for the right time. As it turns out, Donald Trump wasn’t supposed to be there either. He traveled to the disaster area without offering the basic common courtesy of notifying that Governor that he would be doing so, and this was after Edwards had warned him not to show up for a “photo op.”

Edwards said he urged the president to wait a few weeks before visiting as the huge presidential security undertaking involved would interfere with recovery efforts.

“It is a major ordeal,” he told MSNBC late Thursday, the same day U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson met with Edwards to see the emergency response.

Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Craig Fugate defended Obama’s decision not to visit.

“We still have response operations going on,” Fugate told CNN. “To move the president into a disaster area actually takes away some time from the response and the focus on” saving people.

Fugate has said he talked with Obama this week about the response. The president has also declared it a federal disaster, freeing up emergency resources.

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and his running mate toured the flood-damaged city of Baton Rouge on Friday, despite the Democratic Louisiana governor’s urging not to make political stops in areas affected by recent deadly rains.

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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

For every dollar you say that I'd be rich.

It's the Mandela Effects.

originally posted by: atrollstalker

originally posted by: intrptr

Meh, bullying always tries to get a rise out of victims so they can say see, look they hit us back!

Down here in my area, they would certainly get their wish.

Wronger, righter?

a reply to: matafuchs

The thing is...people are so quick to blame this reprehensible behavior on the election in some way, as if it is the fault of the parties or the candidates themselves...but absolutely none of these people are being forced or puppeted or coerced in any way into behaving like this. It is a choice. They choose to act like animals...and it is happening on both sides of this circus, equally as abhorrent.

People are using the issues revolving around this election as an excuse to treat other people like complete garbage, and it is absolutely disgusting. I have never seen such rabid, venomous contempt and disregard for common human decency in my entire life, and I've seen some pretty horrific sh!t in all these trips around the Sun.

We've got serious issues coming at us from all sides, not just as a country but as members of the human race, but what are we doing? Fighting like a pack of rabid dogs, sneering and snarling and circling for the next attack.

Just look at the behavior of the members of this site...attacking each other to the point of getting banned, simply for supporting one candidate over the other. People writing threads denouncing other people as lacking intelligence or integrity or guilt-tripping them, saying they'll be directly responsible for starting WWIII by voting for the opposition and other such conniving trash talk. The hyperbolic, vitriolic filth being spewed here on an hourly basis is so rampant, I feel for the mods...they can barely keep up with the relentless flood of stinking crap flowing though here.

Meanwhile, not only are our problems not coming close to being addressed, they are compounding with every passing moment. And we've still got months to go yet. How much more will our society devolve before it's over?

Our penchant for keeping score is killing our country, splitting it apart...and soon, the damage we've wrought will be irreparable. Do we look like a strong, unified nation of people to the world right now? A global superpower? No, we do not. We look like a bunch of spoiled, badly behaved, ungrateful children who cannot work together as a team. We look scattered, irrational and that makes us weak.

The strategy of "Divide and Conquer" is a popular one because it works, and very effectively. It's working right now, too...and we're not just allowing it. We're reinforcing it.

a reply to: tigertatzen

and it is happening on both sides of this circus, equally as abhorrent.

No it isn't. I have yet to see a mob of Trump supporters attacking Hillary rally attendees. It hasn't happened and it won't.

I can't stand this "all sides do it" crap. That is only true of very particular things. In this case it is NOT true.

a reply to: projectvxn

No, but there are plenty of cases of Trump protestors being assaulted at Trump rallies. Don't pretend it isn't happening. That's lame. Tigertatzen is correct, this is on both sides, and it is so obvious. There's a reason why these two candidates are the pretty much tied for least popular candidates in history. It's because they're both incredibly divisive, and those that choose to support either party whole-heartedly, are extremists. Actually, most special interest groups are extremist now. (BLM, ALM, LGBTQ+, feminists, etc.) If you're not with them, then you are the enemy. People are sick of it. It seems that the majority of humans have given up their rights to humanity. I think America should pull a Brewster's Millions and just vote none of the above. The people used to be enlightened. Now they're just a bunch of trolls spouting the same rhetoric ad nauseum. Whichever candidate is chosen, it doesn't matter, we're looking at the fall of a nation. They both suck.

*snip*

Can't say I agree with you bUT will say you got style.

See what we see in the left and right is a lack of safe places all right just kidding. But people in this country have gone to taking offence at everything said. Yes almost anything either candidate says can be spun and given an alternate meaning. That us why I look more at actions and what they plan to do. And something I noticed lately trump is startin to offer up his version of his presidency. That's seems to be his plan and seems to be working. I just saw in a poll in LA of all places he took the lead. LA is like leftist central. I'm still up in the air and if I had to vote today I'd go third party since I can't stand putting another crooked politician in the white house. And to be honest with current state of affairs Id vote Obama in for a third term if it was possible.

But since that's not an option and Hillary is well crooked as any politician in history Trump still has a chance if he can prove to me that he can do the job. This election is his to lose and so far he's been doing a great jod at doing exactly that.

As far as democrats thinking she's not crpoked your in denial or done zero research. A man on a nuclear sub took a picture of the crew compartment in a sub and he violated national security. When he tried thr I didn't mean any harm and it was just an mistake he was found guilty. Hillary did far more to damage national security. Through in the Clinton foundation and giving donors access to thr state dept even though she had to swear she wouldn't is blatant coruption. She knew like all other govt officoals you set up trusts to manage personal business and charities. You don't ever stay involved in there activities.

Why do we not hear Obama condemning this behavior? Where is Hillary? Why, if for no other reason, common decency, are the Dems not speaking out against this? I think we all know the answer.

Bikers, please step up.

originally posted by: RetsuUnohana
Why do we not hear Obama condemning this behavior? Where is Hillary? Why, if for no other reason, common decency, are the Dems not speaking out against this? I think we all know the answer.

Bikers, please step up.

Probably the same reason Trump doesn't. I'm sure there are statements from Trump, Hillary and Obama condemning violent protests.

If they had to make a statement after every video posted from each side they'd have no time to insult each other or talk sensible policies.

Violence for me is not justified. However, this is what happens when you have a candidate that alienates, insults and threatens a country and its nationals who reside in America.

Of course violence shouldn't be condoned, but neither should the person who incites it. And if you support Trump you are seen to be supporting his racism.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: matafuchs

Any American Citizen , and those who are Not , Publicly Burn the Flag of the United States in the Streets Deserve to get their Ass Beat . Just My Opinion .

Our military fights for our way of life, which includes the right to burn the flag. One might find it disrespectful or impolite, but it is a right we have. That is why we do not 'beat the asses' of people who do this.

Those who would do such a thing are Spitting in the Face of their Constitutional Rights , and IMO are Undeserving of Respect when they themselves do not Respect the Symbol of their Country and what it Represents .

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: KTemplar

originally posted by: JAY1980
Ignorance knows no bounds.
The man just got back from helping flood victims to receive this kind of welcome?
Typical...

S&F very good point, while the president is golfing on the Vineyard; Donald Trump had reached out to the victims of the Louisana flooding.

The governor of La asked Obama to wait a week. They weren;t ready for a presidential motorcade.

Trump didn't even tell the Governor he was coming, used up a bunch of officers to escort him and got a couple photo ops.

That is a lie and has been pointed out to you on another thread. Trump used absolutely ZERO local officers. He only had his security detail (SS and his own hired security) . You know this is a lie and you repeat it on multiple threads. YOU ARE A LIAR.

Take a chill pill, she did not lie, you just dont like like her answer. Now go find proof of what she said was a lie, makes for better threads.

Videos prove me correct. NO POLICE. Not one single police officer is seen in any video from the time he hit the tarmac. Only his security detail in casual plain clothes (identified by having earpieces) No gaggle of reporters, just a few local reporters as is evidenced by a lack of adequate sound on videos (no boom mics) No speeches, just meeting people. You can't even hear what he says to those people most of the time because of the lack of professional reporters. If there had been any police presence, I would think you would have seen them on the multitude of personal videos people were taking with their cell phones. The only people seen in uniform were National Guard members that were taking a meal during a break, sitting down inside an area for volunteers. Jeez, you people have so much hate, you are willing to make up crap to fit your agenda. None of us can know for a fact whether Trump was there out of true concern or to make a good impression for his campaign. Either way it doesn't matter. You can choose to believe he did it for campaign purposes and that's fine but you CAN NOT make false claims about police presence.

If you are talking about Trump in La, the most common video is of him being escorted by 6-8 uniformed police officers right before the 'basket with socks' photo op.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: reldra

Photo ops? No one said not to come. ..

They were out celebrating Bill's birthday. Aug 19.

Hard to tweet condolences with a giant frozen margarita in one hand.

I wonder if Huma actually did the communications.

The Governor of La told Obama to wait a week to come. This has been shown across 2 threads now.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: reldra

You have a right to burn your own flag on your own property if local zoning laws allow open burning.

Burning a stolen flags, or even your own flag, on public property or on somone else's property is a crime and a public safety hazard.

I wouldn't start a fire standing right next to someone, but if you say flag burning is not legal in public places, that would cause protesting that way to be almost impossible. Protesting normally done in a public place. I think you are wrong.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: matafuchs

Any American Citizen , and those who are Not , Publicly Burn the Flag of the United States in the Streets Deserve to get their Ass Beat . Just My Opinion .

Our military fights for our way of life, which includes the right to burn the flag. One might find it disrespectful or impolite, but it is a right we have. That is why we do not 'beat the asses' of people who do this.

Those who would do such a thing are Spitting in the Face of their Constitutional Rights , and IMO are Undeserving of Respect when they themselves do not Respect the Symbol of their Country and what it Represents .

The right to burn the flag was found to be constitutional, so it can't spit in the face of the constitution at the same time.

a reply to: projectvxn

You've been present for every moment of each and every rally, observing each and every interaction between each and every person, simultaneously? If it were true, that would be an impressive feat. But it's not true. You have seen what everyone else has seen, filmed and edited and slanted by the media and other people who want to keep the insanity going, no matter how many innocent people get hurt in the process.

You are doing precisely what I was talking about. You're keeping score. Ignoring the reality that in any conflict, there are always at least two sides to the story, and when the conflict goes on for a long period of time and exponentially worsens over that time, it does so because people from BOTH sides are perpetuating it.

Resolving a conflict requires an effort from both sides, and the strength of character to admit at least equal fault in the matter. It requires that everyone involved stop keeping score and laying blame. It requires humility...and in our current society, people would rather see violence and upheaval, pain and suffering, fear and panic, than admit that they might have been wrong about something. And until one side has the integrity and aplomb to push aside their selfish desire to always have the last word, the conflict will continue and more chaos will accompany it.

Both sides are equally responsible here, and both sides are also equally unwilling to take ownership of their actions. This thread is glaring proof of that sad fact, and it's only a small snapshot of the bigger conflict...much like the video clips and witness statements upon which this particular discussion is based.