Michael Moore: Trump is self-sabotaging his campaign.

originally posted by: mOjOm
For me it's just a possible theory that is seeming more possible all the time.

I know what ya mean.

Trump let it be known in the industry that he was thinking about moving the Apprentice franchise to another network, then launched a campaign for president that was never meant to succeed.

This fits Trump's timeline of

February 2015: Trump decides not to renew his Apprentice contract, fueling speculation that he's mulling a run for president.

June 2015: Trump formally announces that he's running for president in a speech delivered from Trump Tower in New York City. Almost immediately, corporations and individuals that have partnerships with Trump - including Macy's, NBC and Univision - begin to sever ties with the mogul because of disparaging comments he made about Mexicans in the speech announcing his candidacy.

Also with that source, you'll see how many other times Trump has actually ran for POTUS, one time, 2000. All the other times (four) he "mulled" it over but ended up not running. One time he backed out of running for gov

2013: Trump forms a presidential exploratory committee and, despite a strong backing from Republican voters, announces that he has no interest in running for governor of New York in 2014.

"Vanity candidates" run with no intention of winning. Ego, a cause, publicity.

What is concerning is not only that Trump has skewed the discourse in a shameless direction, but also the fact that he lacks the necessary qualifications and the humility necessary when leading the world. You need experience to be President. Firing people on day one will not restore jobs. Trump’s attention-seeking statements undermine the rest of the GOP as well, a group of individuals who is working hard to bring the country back on track in the way they think is best. As others push forth economic proposals, foreign policy solutions, and relevant answers as to what should be done about the debt, non-politicians like Donald Trump .... are playing the “un-American” card, slandering people they do not agree with in order to de-legitimize them. Unfortunately, their actions de-legitimize the very real efforts of Republican politicians nationwide.

No, not from 2016..... 2011

2016.... The perfect storm, and then the perfect disaster.

a reply to: mOjOm

It's another thing to have all that hoping that you wouldn't actually win but instead get more name recognition, etc. but to your surprise actually do win the whole thing and have to do that job when you don't actually want to do that job and never did.

Right? That's what I've been thinking and saying all along.
He realizes now that he can't just 'fire' everyone, and he also can't just 'hire out' the hard parts of the job.
It's an embarrassment....it truly is.

This is the best we can do? I can't even begin to believe that. I can't.

But. Here we are.

a reply to: mOjOm

BS.

He is going off the disgruntled communications manager that made up a bunch of crap to get a book deal, since she will never work in politics or much else ever again, since she violated the non disclosure agreements and tried to sell insider information about his campaign. So not professional or trust worthy, hence the wanting money from a book deal so as to not work for chump change until she dies.

She was probably a plant to sabotage Trump and got figured out. Failed too, this is just that rehashed BS that didnt work the first time, since its freaking retarded.

Its funny, the oposition seems to be more concerned about Trump hurting himself than him or his supporters.

They are the only source to this nonsense. As if it makes Trump seem like a liar, and not the detractors.

Its a copy cat strategy by lame and bland minds after LISTENING to Trump supporters turned from other candidates who explained that the opposition hurt itself by being typical politicians and partisan asshats.

So, what ever. Its not that you cant copy, its that you were the source of the reaction. Trying to copy the success of calling out the BS tactics that turn people off only works if you cut the BS.

So far, it only makes the oposition more mute to the tired and pissed voter base.

Get a new job or get with the program. NO MORE LIES. NO MORE BS.

Trump will win and there will be little you can do about it except accept a new era of American politics, void of the safe and secure criminals behind hordes of idiot parrot minions.

Ex-Trump Insider: Donald Doesn’t Want to Be President

In an open letter to voters supporting Donald Trump in the Republican presidential primary, the former communications director of Trump’s now-defunct Super PAC said that the former reality television star not only never expected to be the Republican nominee, much less president, but never even wanted to be.

Writing for the website xojane.com, Stephanie Cegielski said that when she was brought aboard as communications director for the Make America Great Again PAC last summer, the instructions from Trump Tower were to make sure that Trump finished a respectable second in the GOP primary. It was made clear that Trump was running not as a serious contender, but as a “protest” candidate.

“I don't think even Trump thought he would get this far,” she wrote. “And I don’t even know that he wanted to, which is perhaps the scariest prospect of all. “He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters.

The Donald does not fail.

The Donald does not have any weakness.”

Is the fog starting to lift for some of you now??? Or do you still think a Billionaire who has lived his whole life on his own terms really wants to take on a job he's not qualified for, that comes with constant problems and media attacks, that turn you grey and old and tired in 8 years, is tons of actual work and no free time to yourself, etc.???

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Trump said he was the type of friends with the Clintons that he donated money in exchange for political favors. They have a long history as friends. He's given Hillary and Bill high, high praise. Records speak more to me than campaign rhetoric.

I remain skeptical.

Ok. That doesn't sound like real great friends to me. That sounds exactly like what I said earlier. Business.

The presidential race sounds like business to me, and throwing the race sounds like a possible political favor, too.

And then there is the actual friendship. Again, Trump and the Clintons acknowledge they spent time socially together.

I just can't shake these facts in the face of what looks like a strategic attempt, on Trump's part, to throw this election.

a reply to: mOjOm

I've honestly had posts since before he became the candidate about this theory, big red flag was his meeting with Bill before the announcement. That and he had very close ties with the Clinton's and they attended his wedding(s). That tied with Bill only winning because of outspoken Ross Perot, it seemed more than coincidental. Especially with the Clinton's being as calculated as they are.

a reply to: mOjOm

There was an ATS thread about this letter when it came out. An interesting read now lol

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm not saying there isn't some valid reasoning there. You may be right.

But if you are, I can't imagine that he'd be attacking her so hard. Because if they were friends like you say and as we know they are the only one's really in the race who might win. He wouldn't have to hit so hard and still lose. He could say a little thing here or there and lose still without going so far as he has.

He's said things about her that have really hurt her numbers and have done long lasting damage to her political career and how people see her and will continue to see her.

It's one thing to have a fun celebrity boxing match for charity where both boxers put on a show. But it's something different when one of those boxers isn't boxing for fun or charity but instead hits like they're in a real fight. Trump is hitting like he wants to hurt her legacy and her political career and her image for good. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me about your theory.

Plus, what makes them seem like such close friends??? Because they say they've spent some time together. They're political and celebrity folk. They have loads of "Friends" that aren't really "Friends" but that they spend time with. That's just life when you're a public figure or a celebrity.

a reply to: desert

See? And that's the thing!

He never really wanted this to begin with. For him, it was another "reality TV" gig. Add in that his whole adult life (40 years) has been solely concerned with himself, his own image, his own brand.....

see?

I actually think he's very entertaining...I just can't take him seriously.

He is a great improv actor ---- he accomplished this thing - this idea that he's been toying with - that he always wondered if he could do.

He just didn't realize that "handlers" came with the office. He didn't understand that he can't just "fire" the people in Congress. He thought that he could delegate out EVERY TASK......

(offered John Kasich the position of head of "Foreign and Domestic Policy")
Seriously - he thinks he can just delegate and fix everything, without interference or opposition.

a reply to: mOjOm

Considering the fact that Trump's daughter are both friends and Bill and Hillary were both considered friends of Trump. He was a democrat at one time and also praised Hillary in the past. I always questioned if there was a secret pact between the Clintons and Donald Trump. How could someone be friends, the kids are friends and than they personally attack each other? I know they're both running for the same office, but I would think if they were truly friends they would at least avoid the personal attacks on each other.

Maybe it was a plan from the start to secretly help Hillary get elected. Trump plays the role of a non-establishment candidate. He helps to attack the other republican candidates and sends the republican party in disarray. He played the role too well and received more support than what he bargained for. Now he's trying hard to throw his own campaign.

Then again, it could just be for the power to hold the office of the presidency. Both Hillary and Trump are multi-millionaires. Who in their right mind would want take on the stress and constant attacks by congress, the media and the public. He also did a disservice to himself because before now nobody knew he was such an idiot. I would think that could affect his future real estate deals.

a reply to: desert

I agree. Here is what she had to say in closing.

“Trump never intended to be the candidate. But his pride is too out of control to stop him now,” she wrote.

“He doesn't want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.”

Cegielski, an attorney and the former vice president of public relations for the Public Relations Society of America, could be dismissed as a disgruntled former employee. The Trump campaign shut down the PAC that she worked for in October.
However, Cegielski said that she supported the decision to shut down the PAC and continued to support Trump “with great passion” afterward. It was only slowly, as she began to look at Trump “as a member of the voting public rather than a communications person charged with protecting his positions,” that she started to feel disillusioned.

In the end, she said, she decided that Trump is not an authentic voice for disaffected Americans alienated from Washington and left behind by the global economy.

Speaking to current Trump supporters, she wrote, “He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump's voice.”

Doesn't sound like she's just mad and wanting to sell a book to me. She sounds like someone who's just telling it the way she sees it.

But others might see it different.

a reply to: mOjOm

michaelmoore.com...

I love this one.

5 reasons why Trump will win....by MM

This thread is an echo chamber....I hope it makes you all feel better.

Does nothing to steer people away from Trump.

We came to this position for reasons the oposition STILL doesnt understand.

But sure, its all some nonsense that a former nobody employee made up and everyone forgot about until it was rehashed in an effort to not to lose steam in the chosen "typical mud slinging election strategy" that has gone so swimingly thus far.

This pretty much sums up Michael Moore.

a reply to: WeRpeons

That may very well be the case. Them being friends and being in cahoots would fit right in with this theory. It would just add one more piece to it and still everything would still work the same.

It just seems like he's hitting her with things that he would avoid if he planned on losing in the end. I mean he wouldn't have to gut her in so badly in public and cause lasting damage to her career just to play the part of her opponent. Plus, it's making it harder for him to lose now because people are really hating Hillary now making them go to his side simply out of dislike for her.

He could have thrown out some basic and believable attacks on her and in the end lost and nobody would know the difference. But his attacks have made it harder for him to lose and really hurt her in ways that I don't think would have been part of the plan if they were in it together from the start.

a reply to: tadaman

Fine man. Think that the whole theory is totally wrong. I don't care. It won't hurt my feelings because you think that.

I've already said it's just a theory and I don't know anything for sure. All I have is some circumstantial evidence to support what I'm saying. But it's some pretty good circumstantial evidence and does put a lot of pieces together.

But I'm not saying you have to agree with any of it am I?? No. I'm not trying to steer anyone anywhere either. That is obviously impossible and everyone knows that. Months of debate around here has proven that beyond any question.

But this is a conspiracy site and I've put together a decent conspiracy with evidence to support a very plausible and reasonable position.

When you look at it clearly there are a million reasons why what I'm saying makes sense and almost no reason why a Billionaire with the world at his fingertips and the freedom to do what he pleases, especially at his age would just take on becoming president if he didn't have to. Why would he and why would he want to??? It's all work and his life will never be as fun or free as it has been. He will always be stressed, over worked, mocked, hated, surrounded by drama and problems, etc. Just look what it does to the men who do it. They go in looking great and come out a max of 8 years later looking like a bus load of poltergeists just pulled a train on them all weekend at a frat party!!

a reply to: tadaman

Your link is from a month ago. The OP is new. They are not related. They both can be true during a campaign.

The last part of your post refers to a letter that is not connected to Michael Moore.

I've thought this all along.

and, I don't think he's intentionally helping Hillary.

I also think if he wins he's going to HATE the job. it's not something he cares about.

OR, if he wins he'll turn it all into a reality tv show. cameras will follow him around the white house, making deals and such.. ugh. it's all about his ego.

I think there might be something to this. Trump has run for pres before, last time it was considered a joke by many. This time was considered a joke by many including me. The thinking was he'll self destruct and drop out in a few weeks just a publicity stunt.
Well he has certainly tried self destructing but this time people are going for it. Remember the comment he said about I could do anything and still not lose when he said he could shoot someone in NY and still win, there's a clue there I think.
His speeches are just silly one line sentences mostly and he seems to be trying the self destruct thing all the time with so many idiotic comments, it's like he really doesn't take it seriously at all.
But he is winning and has now won the nomination maybe he thinks hell I could be pres so I'll just say whatever I feel like and if I win or lose whatever I'm still rich.
Then there is the Hillary factor, she is no good and seems fairly rotten people will vote against her. IMO they are both equally dismal.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Hazardous1408

LOL!!! Whatever. Good lord. Please don't applaud the masses' misguided typings.

Please.

I love the gif. You just described the ATS community to a " T " Half make worthy posts, the other half are absolutely atrocious. LOL So, does anyone even pay attention to Michael Moore anymore?

His actions are somewhat fishy, you can't deny it..