Mandela Effect - Kidney Proof - Internal Organs Changed Position

a reply to: lovebeck

I think it has to do with people more science based baffled by the narrative of ME. The whole body of evidence is the perception and interpretation of pop culture and the willingness to ignore human knowledge evolves over time. Then add in how study after study shows how unreliable eyewitness accounts and human memories are. (I guess we do not have the ability to record the present. When we remember, we actually reconstruct the memory? Over simplification. See
www.scientificamerican.com...)

The skeptics outline numerous logic explanations. The different parodies of "Luke, I am you father." People are more acquainted with a risk board than a world map. Myths of the human body driven by urban legends and poor education. The concept of earth's position in the milky way has changed as our knowledge of our galaxy has changed.

ME people like to label themselves as the one's that perceive the truth? Yet, no attempt at scientific method to prove their narrative. The evidence is by reciting urban legend and tribal knowledge in a form inherent to a cult or religion. Using YouTube which is somewhat sensationalized, can obscure identities, and is held to no academic standard to give ME legitimacy?

Used the analogy once. Like using DR. Seuss books to prove the sky is really pink?

Some how skeptics are the ones who feel threatened and live in the dark while having a questioning mind and work through the logic?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

He ends at responsibility again...

The line is at 45 seconds.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

Before that he says "You've been given a gift, PETER.......

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: neutronflux
The heart has moved? Very confusing? So, if the heart in this time line is more center chested than what you remember form you time line, the heart in this timeline still has never moved. It's always been center chested. (Find CPR training that teaches otherwise.) You don't like it, go back to your own time line?

I'm a nurse. The whole heart and kidneys ME thing is bunk. As is the rest of it. I find it laughable, honestly.

How this thread is a dozen pages long is beyond me.

Mainly because people like you keep posting dumb arguments.

"I'm a nurse and it always was this way, derp"

Noone said that it wasn't always like this in this timeline. That's the whole point isn't it.

I think people afflicted by ME have been hacked by aliens, reprogram, and will be turned into a zombie army once the invasion begins. Explains why the faulty memories are consistent and reproducible.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: lovebeck

I think it has to do with people more science based baffled by the narrative of ME. The whole body of evidence is the perception and interpretation of pop culture and the willingness to ignore human knowledge evolves over time. Then add in how study after study shows how unreliable eyewitness accounts and human memories are. (I guess we do not have the ability to record the present. When we remember, we actually reconstruct the memory? Over simplification. See
www.scientificamerican.com...)

The skeptics outline numerous logic explanations. The different parodies of "Luke, I am you father." People are more acquainted with a risk board than a world map. Myths of the human body driven by urban legends and poor education. The concept of earth's position in the milky way has changed as our knowledge of our galaxy has changed.

ME people like to label themselves as the one's that perceive the truth? Yet, no attempt at scientific method to prove their narrative. The evidence is by reciting urban legend and tribal knowledge in a form inherent to a cult or religion. Using YouTube which is somewhat sensationalized, can obscure identities, and is held to no academic standard to give ME legitimacy?

Used the analogy once. Like using DR. Seuss books to prove the sky is really pink?

Some how skeptics are the ones who feel threatened and live in the dark while having a questioning mind and work through the logic?

^This sums up perfectly why some of us are baffled by this entire discussion.

originally posted by: neutronflux
I think people afflicted by ME have been hacked by aliens, reprogram, and will be turned into a zombie army once the invasion begins. Explains why the faulty memories are consistent and reproducible.

To your point, any non-falsifiable argument is equally likely.

I propose that everyone experiencing the ME has been brainwashed by top-secret government experiments designed to supplant the logic and reason centers in the brain.

Imagine if every single ME thread degenerated into two equally absurd camps:

1) "I must have switched timelines!"
2) "You were programmed by MK Ultra!"

a reply to: Greggers

The reprograming make sense. The time line thoery was alwsys bothersome.

Why would the time line jumpers be contently from the same time line? Infinite time lines should equal inconsistent ME experiences? Not consistent.

Why are the jumps never forward or backwards in time?

Why always a human to human jump?

What happens to the consciousness victimized by the displacement?

Reprogramming would be consistent and has less loose ends.

What better way to marked the programed than by the same faulty memories. Like a cattle tag.

Programing explains and gives a valid reason people feel threatened by ME.


Or ME is a hoax........

a reply to: neutronflux

The skeptics outline numerous logic explanations. The different parodies of "Luke, I am you father."

What parodies? I don't know what parody I am supposed to have been exposed to that gave me this false memory. I watched Star Wars hundreds of times on VHS as a kid but I don't know of any parody that says "Luke, I am your father" so I can rule this out for myself.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: neutronflux

The skeptics outline numerous logic explanations. The different parodies of "Luke, I am you father."

What parodies? I don't know what parody I am supposed to have been exposed to that gave me this false memory.I watched Star Wars hundreds of times on VHS as a kid but I don't know of any parody that says "Luke, I am your father so I can rule this out for myself.

I know. It's like you have been programmed to have the same memories of the hacked zombie army. It's proven by research eyewitness accounts are inconsistent. Especially when viewing numerous spoofs would interfere how your memory reconstructs the Empire Strikes Back creating greater inconsistencies how you recall the original.

You should really look into the study of memory recall and the validity of eyewitness accounts. Gives scientific insight how human memory works.

At least there is a logical reason the faulty memories are consistent. Reprogramming.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: neutronflux

The skeptics outline numerous logic explanations. The different parodies of "Luke, I am you father."

What parodies? I don't know what parody I am supposed to have been exposed to that gave me this false memory. I watched Star Wars hundreds of times on VHS as a kid but I don't know of any parody that says "Luke, I am your father" so I can rule this out for myself.

Are you seriously suggesting you've never seen a comedian or comedic skit or any other parody or otherwise non-standard rendition of Star Wars? Heck, the whole, "I am your father" quote is so ingrained in pop culture that it's hard to even know where to begin. Most people have more experience with pop culture references to Star Wars than they do to the actual film. It's almost unavoidable.

Reprogramming the zombie army with faulty human anatomy has its purpose too. When the zombie army is activated, the activation does not take hold in all the programed. Those that didn't activate will have the faulty human anatomy knowledge and be useless in treating victims of the zombie army.

The unfortunate thing about human memory is that it's not read-only. It's READ-WRITE.

Every time you access a memory, you write over it with a layer of whatever you are feeling or thinking at that moment. If you do this enough, the earlier memory becomes completely muddied with details added later.

This has been conclusively proven by the research of Elizabeth Loftus and others.

All I know, it's a burden having a memory too strong to be reprogrammed by the aliens for their zombie army. The horrors I will have to survive during the storm. It's really a blessing and a curse to have a mind too strong to be hacked.

a reply to: Greggers

Nope. I am from the Netherlands and I can't think of where I would've seen such a reference. Noone ever mentioned Star Wars in the first place.

I see this argument being thrown around but can anyone post some examples of parodies containing the quote "Luke I am your father", then I will tell you if I could have seen it.

Here are a few skits on youtube that use "Luke." This is just a tiny sampling of stuff I found in five minutes. This kind of spoof has been going on for DECADES, long before there was even an internet.






And here's a link that explains the whole thing quite nicely: knowyourmeme.com...

a reply to: Greggers

And don't forget the OFFICIAL merchandise had different variations too. NIAYF, LIAYF and just IAYF.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers

Nope. I am from the Netherlands and I can't think of where I would've seen such a reference. Noone ever mentioned Star Wars in the first place.

I see this argument being thrown around but can anyone post some examples of parodies containing the quote "Luke I am your father", then I will tell you if I could have seen it.

I don't mean to be rude, but why your memory is inaccurate isn't really relevant to the larger sociological phenomena. The truth is, the bombardment of popular culture with widespread parody is a feasible, common-sense explanation that will apply to the vast majority of cases. I'd bet it applies to you too, even if you don't know it, indirectly by proxy if not directly. Occam's razor and all that.

a reply to: Greggers

Every time you access a memory, you write over it with a layer of whatever you are feeling or thinking at that moment. If you do this enough, the earlier memory becomes completely muddied with details added later. This has been conclusively proven by the research of Elizabeth Loftus and others.

What did the memories consist of in this research?

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers

Every time you access a memory, you write over it with a layer of whatever you are feeling or thinking at that moment. If you do this enough, the earlier memory becomes completely muddied with details added later. This has been conclusively proven by the research of Elizabeth Loftus and others.

What did the memories consist of in this research?

Elizabeth Loftus has an enormous body of work, leveraging all kinds of memories. She has authored books that I'm sure you can find if you're interested.

a reply to: Greggers

Here are a few skits on youtube that use "Luke." This is just a tiny sampling of stuff I found in five minutes. This kind of spoof has been going on for DECADES, long before there was even an internet.

So when and where was I exposed to it. I have known it was "Luke" since the nineties and I can prove to myself that I thought it was "Luke" back in 2006 so these YT vids are meaningless.

Show me an example of a movie, series, or comedy skit that has the qoute.

Regarding the merchandise, never saw anyone with a Tshirt or whatever. Never saw a poster.


And even if I did, why would it trump my memory of this iconic line and watching it hundreds of times.

I'd bet it applies to you too, even if you don't know it, indirectly by proxy if not directly. Occam's razor and all that.