Video: ‘Black Lives Matter’ rioters target whites for beat downs

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie



They accused of it, but such attempts failed outright and were easily disproven because MLK knew how to peace march.

Yeah I'm sure MLK's opponents conceded on every accusation. I'm sure they accepted right away that his cause was peaceful, as soon as he reinforced the message. The racists of his day were probably very reasonable about his intentions. Just as I'm sure the BLM opponents today allow themselves to be corrected when reminded of the guiding principles of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Fact is, Black Lives Matter does not promote violence against police or white people. That's not to say that protesters haven't said inappropriate things, but the few do not represent the majority and they do not represent the principles of the movement.

This is the message of BLM:

We are committed to collectively, lovingly and courageously working vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension all people. As we forge our path, we intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

blacklivesmatter.com...

The biggest difference between MLK and Black Lives Matter is MLK was a singular man, while BLM is a collective. Anybody can carry a banner, start chanting, and soil the movement. And that's what you see in those clips.

It is not a terrorist group. It is not a hate group. The problems they shine a spotlight on are real.

The message from their website does not hold any value. Actions do. As you have seen numerous video of BLM activists calling for the death of police officers, the only conclusion is that they are terrorists and are doing nothing but making things worse for the black community. Equality will come when education and job opportunities are on an equal footing. That's REAL social justice. Where are BLM on these issues? I don't see them marching and chanting about these things.

a reply to: UKTruth

Your terrorist claim is not only false, it reveals the closed-minded extremist you are.

Black Lives Matter is not taking credit for violence. They are constantly reminding people their movement is one of peace. They constantly remind people they are not against police officers, they want to see meaningful reform.

Just stop with your constant labeling of all opposing protest as terrorists. It's just dumb.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Soon, I will hopefully be putting up a long extensive thread on protests, peace marching, and movements that did it right. I'll be pointing where leaders like MLK succeeded and why so many fall short today. I'll be looking for videos of marching back the, and protests and compare them to the protests we have today.

I'll be going over protest tactics, explain the importance of organization and a clear message. I'll be pointing out the purpose of the bullhorn, it's uses and tactical advantages. I'll go into why a message of peace needs to be a rallying cry in every protest, how the people on the bullhorns are responsible for helping to maintain that message of peace.

It will be possibly one of the biggest projects I've ever undergone. I wish I didn't feel I need to do it. It will be more work and time than I personally desire to invest. Especially as I know most of you will ignore it and continue believing there's not a right and wrong way to protest if you wish to claim a message of peace as a part of your movement.

The truth is BLM doesn't want peace, if they did, they'd fight to make that known.

I don't want to just write messages on this, I want to be out there leading the charge to peace. Fighting the war for peace and show these lost lambs how a protest is really.

Sadly I #ed up my life. Second I become a real problem for the PTB I'll be in prison so fast I won't be able to kiss my grandma farewell. I've got a lot to fix before I can be a true martyr. I'm too easily defeated in my current state.

originally posted by: Puppylove

The truth is BLM doesn't want peace, if they did, they'd fight to make that known.

Of course they want peace. Who are you even talking about??? How easily swayed are you by negative propaganda.

Instead of focusing on racial injustice, far too many ignore the message, attempt to sweep it under the rug, and point judging fingers at the protesters.

The protest movement isn't up to your superior standards of what a protest should look like, so you sweep the whole cause under the rug? Shame on you.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

If they don't do it right they are causing more trouble than helping. That's the problem I have.

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

Yes, if they do not live up to my standards they are a danger because their message, right or wrong, is completely lost in the chaos of their #ty attempt to put it out there, and instead of spreading their message, division and confusion and antagonization rule the day.

If something by being done wrong creates more problems than it helps, I'm not going to just give it a pass due to good intentions.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove

The truth is BLM doesn't want peace, if they did, they'd fight to make that known.

Of course they want peace. Who are you even talking about??? How easily swayed are you by negative propaganda.

Instead of focusing on racial injustice, far too many ignore the message, attempt to sweep it under the rug, and point judging fingers at the protesters.

The protest movement isn't up to your superior standards of what a protest should look like, so you sweep the whole cause under the rug? Shame on you.

The only"racial injustice" here is the lack of self blame for their current situation. IF the man aimed to keep all blacks down they would but so many are successfull. So dont try to sell me that BS line about privlidged class.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

Your terrorist claim is not only false, it reveals the closed-minded extremist you are.

Black Lives Matter is not taking credit for violence. They are constantly reminding people their movement is one of peace. They constantly remind people they are not against police officers, they want to see meaningful reform.

Just stop with your constant labeling of all opposing protest as terrorists. It's just dumb.

I have already shown you links of BLM leaders calling for murder and violence. My terrorist claim is spot on and yes , my mind is 100% closed to terrorist ideologies.

I would like to see the radical terrorist element within BLM kicked out and for the group to concentrate on teh real issues, which have nothing to do with police.

Would Dr.Martin King have approved of BLM operations?I tend to doubt it.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove

The truth is BLM doesn't want peace, if they did, they'd fight to make that known.

Of course they want peace. Who are you even talking about??? How easily swayed are you by negative propaganda.

Instead of focusing on racial injustice, far too many ignore the message, attempt to sweep it under the rug, and point judging fingers at the protesters.

The protest movement isn't up to your superior standards of what a protest should look like, so you sweep the whole cause under the rug? Shame on you.

The only"racial injustice" here is the lack of self blame for their current situation. IF the man aimed to keep all blacks down they would but so many are successfull. So dont try to sell me that BS line about privlidged class.

So you deny the problem even exists. That's your choice.

Lack of self blame? That's very narrow thinking. But it's nothing new... The uphill battle is always one against overwhelming ignorance.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

You are focusing on the wrong things, just like BLM.
Education and jobs - start there, stay there and finish there. That is where real inequality and social injustice is. Everything else will work itself out after that.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

You are focusing on the wrong things, just like BLM.
Education and jobs - start there, stay there and finish there. That is where real inequality and social injustice is. Everything else will work itself out after that.

I don't disagree with the need to improve education, but that doesn't negate their movement. And it certainly doesn't make them a terrorist group.

They are focused on what they are focused. You can debate the effectiveness... but to call them a hate group or terrorist group is completely false.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

You are focusing on the wrong things, just like BLM.
Education and jobs - start there, stay there and finish there. That is where real inequality and social injustice is. Everything else will work itself out after that.

I don't disagree with the need to improve education, but that doesn't negate their movement. And it certainly doesn't make them a terrorist group.

They are focused on what they are focused. You can debate the effectiveness... but to call them a hate group or terrorist group is completely false.

I am not saying the movement is negated. I am supportive of any movement that tackles the obvious racism that exists in society. But that racism manifests itself in education and jobs - i.e. lack of opportunity for African Americans compared to white people. Some breakout and succeed but they are exceptions, not the rule. I am saying that is where the fight is and the distraction of blaming the police does no one any good and rather weakens the position.

That is why I believe any member of BLM who calls for violence and murder of cops (or anyone else) should be ejected from the movement and denounced. If BLM does not do this then they are including terrorism in their manifesto and that makes them a terrorist group.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

The complete lack of any open effort to publicly and repeatedly denounce violence by anyone claiming to support/follow/inspired-by BLM is an indicator of their compliance. BLM, not unlike Anonymous, is a collective with no real membership approval process. Therefore, it is even more incumbent upon the organization founders and leader THEMSELVES to protect their message of peaceful protest. ESPECIALLY when the camera's are rolling at any protest that has people exclaiming they are BLM supporters.

For the actual BLM message to be heard clearly, they need to actively and continually clarify and publicly separate themselves from negative protest messages. The use of bullhorns at protests, by SANCTIONED leaders of BLM (you know, actual representatives) will help immensely to make that distinction and to keep the violent protesters as the agent provocateurs that they are. It will show the world their message. But, to date I have seen on only one protest having this level of organization. Without organization of the protests that publicly use their own "BLM brand", then they actively leave it open to violence.

Giving the benefits of doubt to their good intentions, this indicates to me a complete lack of understanding of how to successfully protest peacefully and keep their message clean and untarnished. Alternatively, without that concerted effort, it is an indicator of condoning that violence by inaction. Sitting on the sidelines and quietly saying, "we do not support violence" is then drowned out by the violent chants of death, riots, and racists words and actions.

I do believe the BLM movement itself could be due for some education itself....don't you?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

You are focusing on the wrong things, just like BLM.
Education and jobs - start there, stay there and finish there. That is where real inequality and social injustice is. Everything else will work itself out after that.

I don't disagree with the need to improve education, but that doesn't negate their movement. And it certainly doesn't make them a terrorist group.

They are focused on what they are focused. You can debate the effectiveness... but to call them a hate group or terrorist group is completely false.

I am not saying the movement is negated. I am supportive of any movement that tackles the obvious racism that exists in society. But that racism manifests itself in education and jobs - i.e. lack of opportunity for African Americans compared to white people. Some breakout and succeed but they are exceptions, not the rule. I am saying that is where the fight is and the distraction of blaming the police does no one any good and rather weakens the position.

That is why I believe any member of BLM who calls for violence and murder of cops (or anyone else) should be ejected from the movement and denounced. If BLM does not do this then they are including terrorism in their manifesto and that makes them a terrorist group.

Absolutely, any BLM member calling for violence and murder should be ejected-- but how do you eject a person from a collective movement? You can publically denounce, but that's pretty much it. They have no power over these rogue elements, and there is no official organization to eject them from. BLM itself advertises itself as the kind of positive loving movement you can bring your kids to, so obviously this kind of stuff falls way outside the principles of their movement.

It's the seething anger in these communities that ride the BLM wave and then soil it all. BLM isn't destroying these communities... the violence is. The same violence that has been hurting their communities uses the BLM protests to spread chaos and violence.

One of the major criticisms of BLM is that they are leaderless. There is not a singular face and voice to say "This is wrong." So you have a-holes acting out, and regular people saying that's wrong... and the a-holes get all the press.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
I do believe the BLM movement itself could be due for some education itself....don't you?

Education and support.

This is nothing new, though. Occupy Wall Street received the same kind of criticism. Their movement wasn't organized well enough to be taken seriously. They didn't live up to everyone's ideals of what a protest should be, so opponents ignored the message and focused on everything they're doing wrong. Problem not solved... issue deflected.

I personally am not going to be one to squash the message. Anyone can criticize the movement, but when the subject comes up I will be one who reminds people what the issue is.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Actually, there are 3 now 'celebrity' co-founders. They've been absolutely silent, as far as what's been posted in the site here, since before the Dallas shooting.

There's a central fountainhead website, but so far (apparently) only one half arse damage control 'blog post' has been put out there merely suggesting they are against violence (no direct words against black on white crimes, rioting, burning down gas stations, shooting people, MASS MURDER, etc).

With all the George Soros funding they could hire a spokesperson to go on nightly news regularly and set the record straight, but they dont.

That's three strikes folks!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

That's a lot of arrogance.

I personally focus more on the problem which is the racial injustice, the killings of unarmed black men, the overall unfairness and racial profiling.

The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

You are focusing on the wrong things, just like BLM.
Education and jobs - start there, stay there and finish there. That is where real inequality and social injustice is. Everything else will work itself out after that.

I don't disagree with the need to improve education, but that doesn't negate their movement. And it certainly doesn't make them a terrorist group.

They are focused on what they are focused. You can debate the effectiveness... but to call them a hate group or terrorist group is completely false.

I am not saying the movement is negated. I am supportive of any movement that tackles the obvious racism that exists in society. But that racism manifests itself in education and jobs - i.e. lack of opportunity for African Americans compared to white people. Some breakout and succeed but they are exceptions, not the rule. I am saying that is where the fight is and the distraction of blaming the police does no one any good and rather weakens the position.

That is why I believe any member of BLM who calls for violence and murder of cops (or anyone else) should be ejected from the movement and denounced. If BLM does not do this then they are including terrorism in their manifesto and that makes them a terrorist group.

Absolutely, any BLM member calling for violence and murder should be ejected-- but how do you eject a person from a collective movement? You can publically denounce, but that's pretty much it. They have no power over these rogue elements, and there is no official organization to eject them from. BLM itself advertises itself as the kind of positive loving movement you can bring your kids to, so obviously this kind of stuff falls way outside the principles of their movement.

It's the seething anger in these communities that ride the BLM wave and then soil it all. BLM isn't destroying these communities... the violence is. The same violence that has been hurting their communities uses the BLM protests to spread chaos and violence.

One of the major criticisms of BLM is that they are leaderless. There is not a singular face and voice to say "This is wrong." So you have a-holes acting out, and regular people saying that's wrong... and the a-holes get all the press.

Well then, believe it or not we are actually broadly agreed.
We both believe racism exists
We both believe it should be tackled.
We both reject violence and murder as a means to achieving it.
The way BLM become credible is exactly as you have said - spend the time denouncing the rogue elements. Nominate people to speak for them. They could do worse than Sheriff Clarke for starters. Now that would be a powerful statement. It would instantly delete the stigma or violence, soothe police relations and focus the debate on inequality.

a reply to: UKTruth

Only IF that is what the founders of BLM truly want. So far, I am not seeing that. I am seeing them quietly condoning these acts. To me, that means the true agenda is quite different that the public quiet message of peace. And, I am obviously not the only one.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: spiritualzombie

They are fueling the fire of division and hate because they refuse to really put in the efforts to make peace their message and not just a side note.

There'd be more gained by listening to my criticisms and learning from them, then blindly crying foul because your message is clearly failing to get out there properly.

Hint it's failing cause you all are doing it wrong.

....
The movement is a collective. For any good you could do, someone else could do bad-- and who do you think the media and opposition will focus on? Your nice peaceful message or an inappropriate 30 second chant? You yourself admit that you focus more on the bad press, so good luck thinking a positive message will change it.

This is nothing new. It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy. I see the truth in the guiding principles of the movement.

So, sounds to me like you choose to not provide constructive criticism (which is what many here are actually saying) but to just throw up your hands and say, "so good luck thinking a positive message will change it" and "It's an uphill battle. I choose empathy". Yeah, that will change things a lot....empathy. That, IMO, is an empty emotion when not backed up with corrective actions to resolve the issues we have been discussing. That is part of the problem too. There are too many that do not want to do the hard work and put the effort in to promote the peaceful message, every day, in every protest, loudly for everyone (including the media) hears to drown out the violent message.

I see that you are not willing to help, just sit there and quietly and selfishly do nothing.

Bravo.