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If you're really a debunker as you say, then you'd understand why I'm not gonna take you at your word that you've been in contact with the debris, it's too damn unlikely and more likely you're making it up to ad weight to your claim.
originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
If you're really a debunker as you say, then you'd understand why I'm not gonna take you at your word that you've been in contact with the debris, it's too damn unlikely and more likely you're making it up to ad weight to your claim.
debris ? come one people.
To the OP...
If there was an alien crash...you really think you would have been able to see the real debris ? and if there was a cover story...the Project Mogul...surely they would have provided you with a public displaying of a thorn up balloon. That would be easy as pie.
And here you come along...great debunker...looking at that planted thorn up balloon...and saying...wow...that's just a balloon. Case closed. If everybody in the world was that easy...
I find it rather ridiculous when people come on here and proclaim they only believe in publicly available data. I must tell you OP....that seems awesomely naive and you may be wasting your time here.
foil and small sticks in favor of..... what?
Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these. "I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon," he said. "But if I find anything else besides a bomb they are going to have a hard time getting me to say anything about it."
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
originally posted by: klassless
And of course we know now that when he quotes Brazel, he is quoting an old man whose mind has been affected by the deterioration of memory. This is what Pflock found when he interviewed almost everybody that was present in 1947. The sudden fame and possible financial renumeration helps to sway an already weakened mind.
There is only one author that one can trust to give you the facts on this case and that's Karl T. Pflock. Every other author offers less or different "facts".
The Brazel quotes above are from an interview in the Roswell Daily Record on July 9, 1947. - LINK - Almost a month after the discovery of the "spacecraft." The hundreds of claimed witnesses that came forward after Stanton Friedman's 1978 interview with Jesse Marcel are the questionable group. The article is the only true description and account we have of the debris in 1947 by the originator of the story and not something recalled from 30+ year old memories.
Brazel was motivated by the rewards offered by newspapers during the time for the recovery of a flying disc. When he first found the debris on June 14th, he simply stashed some pieces away with no fanfare or importance and went back to work. Only after several weeks and the breaking of Kenneth Arnold's story, which in part caused newspapers to offer rewards, did this nondescript debris all of a sudden become a flying saucer.
His story in the article clearly describe balloon and target debris. There's not a single piece described that's not relatable to this. The difference is the amount and condition it was found. Which brings up a point I've mentioned many times before - This amazing debris that couldn't be cut, burned, dented, torn, and was said to be indestructible, was found 'destructed' and broken into many pieces.
originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Ectoplasm8
foil and small sticks in favor of..... what?
Brazel:
Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these. "I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon," he said. "But if I find anything else besides a bomb they are going to have a hard time getting me to say anything about it."
Marcell:
(video snipped)
"it was not anything of this Earth...."
I dont know man...you tell me.
THE CURIOUS CASE OF JESSE A. MARCEL SR. AND DONALD R. SCHMITT
edit on 07/03/2016 by klassless because: To add text.
originally posted by: JackHill
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
originally posted by: JackHill
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
If someone tells you 2 different things where both can not be true, which one do you believe? Do you believe just the things that confirm your beliefs?
originally posted by: JackHill
originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
originally posted by: JackHill
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
If someone tells you 2 different things where both can not be true, which one do you believe? Do you believe just the things that confirm your beliefs?
How about trying to answer my question if you're gonna quote me? I repeat:
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
originally posted by: JackHill
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
William "Mac" Brazel died in 1963.
you don't dismiss Brazel's description of the debris he found. That is unless you're being selective in order to fit your need and belief.
compared to Marcel's recall of 30+ years
Given the facts above, you don't find it the least bit odd and coincidental
originally posted by: Char-Lee
How can anyone with even half a brain believe a bunch of well trained military would get all excited about this trash and think it a UFO?
originally posted by: mirageman
originally posted by: JackHill
Why did the military informed to the local press that it was a 'flying saucer' that crashed the first time if it wasn't?
I'll answer that more directly. Because it is all too easy to forget (or more likely) never have experience what was going on in the summer of 1947.
On June 24th 1947 Kenneth Arnold reported seeing unidentified craft "..skipping like saucers" in the skies near Mount Rainier. This is attributed to the dawn of the "flying saucer" age. However "flying saucer" at the time was not necessarily associated with it being an "alien spacecraft". The Cold War was beginning to bite and there was a deep fear that they might be a new Soviet weapon.
So it is entirely possible, if not likely, that the press release was 'jumping the gun' in an attempt to announce that the RAAF was the first military unit to capture one of these things.