Mandela Effect - Trusting Your Memory - When Memory Becomes Knowledge

This post serves to reinforce people experiencing the Mandela Effect. It's based on (and raises the topic of) the fact that memory is a part of the learning process, which in turn becomes knowledge.

Non-associative learning refers to "a relatively permanent change in the strength of response to a single stimulus due to repeated exposure to that stimulus".

Enculturation is the process by which people learn values and behaviors that are appropriate or necessary in their surrounding culture.

Multimedia learning is where a person uses both auditory and visual stimuli to learn information.

The Wiki on Learning has helpful info.

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When researching the Mandela Effect, you'll notice an abundance of people telling you you're wrong - because memory is fallible and current facts don't support you. This post is in opposition to that, yet you'll find the same reasoning in response to it.

'Facts don't support you' (in relation to the Mandela Effect) can be dismissed, as a known aspect of the Mandela Effect involves facts changing for some and not for others. But what about your memory?

Do you know your email address?

Do you know the result of 2x2?

What shape is a wheel?

Did you have to look those up - or did you rely on knowledge?

You know a wheel is round because you learned shapes in school (a square won't work). Your world imparts (and reinforces) that knowledge.

By the same token.. Some folks are Bible scholars of varying degrees - studying via Sunday School, Sermons and Seminary. Some folks are film geeks (think Star Wars), they've seen the movie hundreds of times. Some are seasoned musicians, they've covered songs like California Dreaming and committed them to albums and video. Their worlds reinforced their knowledge.

Would you trust a hard core Star Wars fan to know the iconic line?

It's not likely those affected would all have the same wrong memory, but they do. It's not likely Bible folks were all taught the same wrong things by a myriad of teachers. It's not likely film geeks would get the same iconic taglines of their movies wrong. It's not likely covers would get all the words right except the one, the same one. Editors wouldn't allow a misspelling on a word like Niagra (the subject of the article) between heading and body, but the same error is seen in multiple papers by multiple authors with multiple editors.

These affected people are well versed in their hobby or trade - and all of them would of been corrected. There's to many of them to dismiss and the number's growing.

As an example, I'm well versed on continental positions. I own a globe; it sits on my desk, and that globe has changed. To further qualify, my desktop wallpaper was a world map, I read encyclopedias as a kid, I bought my dad a framed world map for father's day. I've looked into continental drift, the ring of fire and Pangaea on more than once occasion. I watch world news vs local news. I grew up on PBS. I have Google Earth installed and explore it routinely. I watch documentaries far more than regular TV, many on space with Earth's continents visible. I've read articles about South America and the Arctic, read about Admiral Byrd (hole at top of Earth), the Piri Reis map, dogsled races across the Arctic.. ..all the while (decades) being exposed to images of continental positions.

I know that South America is further east now.
I know the Arctic landmass is gone now.

The bottom line is that you are a person in and of the world - you buy products, listen to songs, watch movies, TV and news. You study your interests and strive to be good at them. That constant saturation becomes knowledge.

Trust Your Gut
You know you better than anyone else. Trust you know when something remembered could be flimsy, and when it's fact. Trust yourself to know the difference. What does your instinct tell you?

Trust Your Knowledge
Trust that you are a person in the world and therefore knowledgeable of it. Trust that some of your strong memories are knowledge, and trust in that knowledge.

Have confidence in yourself and your memories, and know that others are with you. Be proud to be listed in the few; and humble with those that aren't.

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In advance I want to answer a few questions. Yes, I know people make spelling errors. Yes I know errors get published. Yes I know song lyrics can be misheard. Understand this post is not about "the commonality of mistakes".

So what do you think? Does memory become knowledge? Would you say you're knowledgeable on a particular topic?

a reply to: Pearj

So you can dismiss the "memory is fallible" argument?

OK.

What was the colour, make, model and year of car that you saw 3 days after your 4th birthday at 17.42pm EST?

a reply to: TerryDon79

I was taking a nap at said time, i remember clearly

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: TerryDon79

I was taking a nap at said time, i remember clearly

Thanks for making me laugh lol.

And yet it was always Rod Serling, not Rod Sterling. And it was always the Berenstain Bears, not the Berenstein Bears. You can write a wall of text bringing up irrelevant issues about memory if you want to, but those primary facts, and examples like them, are still out there. You can claim you "clearly" remember it differently THEREFORE, since your memory is perfect, you must have switched timelines if you want, but most rational people would not come to that conclusion. It is completely preposterous to claim the whole universe moved so you can justify your perfect memory.

In MY timeline there has ALWAYS been a Rod Serling of Twilight Zone fame and the Berenstain Bears, named after their authors, Stan and Jan Berenstain, since the 1950's. If you claim differently, I must conclude that you have migrated to MY timeline, and since I never granted you permission to do so, you are trespassing.

Get out!

a reply to: schuyler

So instead of "get off my lawn!" it's "get out of my timeline!"?

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: TerryDon79

I was taking a nap at said time, i remember clearly

I read ME threads purely for entertainment, and that made me laugh. Good comeback

a reply to: schuyler

It is completely preposterous to claim the whole universe moved so you can justify your perfect memory.

But thats not the point. The point is to establish reasonable doubt in everyones recollection of the past so that when they change the record of the past everyone dismisses it due to the,"Mandella Effect".

I.E., "we didn't change the past, the past changed".

This conversation reminds me of the one Winston had with O'Brian in "1984"...

Again the theme of the importance of objective truth returns. Here, Winston takes the position that memory and objective truth must win out over falsehood because the Party cannot destroy memory. O'Brien is set on proving Winston wrong in this case. O'Brien tells Winston that the Party is far superior to Nazi Germany or the Russian Communists because, unlike those other regimes whose enemies were eventually turned into martyrs, the Party refuses to let a stray thought get through. Controlling all thought is the Party's power, a power that will remain timeless.

Here Orwell takes totalitarianism a step further — into the mind. The equation that Winston writes in his diary, 2 + 2 = 4, comes back to haunt him; it is the one objective truth that Winston cannot give up. The equation is the sticking-point between Winston and O'Brien and ultimately becomes the proof of Winston's reintegration. If Winston can believe that 2 + 2 = 5, then the Party has gotten inside of him.

Cliff Notes

a reply to: Pearj

You're a brave soul.

Shapes and math aren't what appear to be changing, though. It's names, celebrity lives/deaths, geography, and I feel like I'm forgetting one. My point is that basic math and shapes etc are fundamental knowledge. Celebrity names, brands, logos, are more like background knowledge I'd say.

For instance, you hear them called 'Depends' by everyone and you think that's what they're called. They're not, though. You think it's Reba McIntyre but it Reba McEntire. Did you sit down and consciously look at, read, and memorize her name before the supposed timeshift? As for the 'Depend' thing. A possibility I see is that we see each diaper as a 'Depend' therefore we call them 'Depends'. As in multiple. I mean it didn't change from 'depend' to 'hamburger'. Then I'd be like whaaaat?

I don't know if you personally experienced those "changes"; I'm just giving examples. I actually experienced them but I don't attribute them to ME, obviously. I just don't think I ever really consciously knew the name/name spelling. Another question/example. Are all of the people who spell 'weird' as 'wierd' experiencing the ME? People doing things in mass amounts doesn't mean it's a time shift or whatever. Ask people to spell 'curiosity'. I'd guess that a lot of them will tell you it's 'curiousity'. What if some are completely sure?

I know these non-believer posts are probably aggravating but just like you feel the importance of reinforcing belief in the ME, I feel the need to say my piece. I just don't think gut feeling is enough substance for this theory. I mean how convenient that "the facts change" with it.

As an example, I'm well versed on continental positions. I own a globe; it sits on my desk, and that globe has changed.

How well versed are you? longitude latitude of the changes kind of versed or i know it was more to this side kinda versed?

I see people saying they know their stuff but never see then giving numbers, and those numbers exist for a few hundred years, sailors had them in charts, and probably knew them by memory.

When a merchant boat captain tells me that Australia, south America or anything else changed because his travel takes x time less/longer and the coordinates correlate to that change i will give some credence to that "i know my crap" narrative.

a reply to: Pearj

So you remember there always being 8 continents? I'd bet you remember there being 7.

Then where would the Arctic continent fit it?

originally posted by: schuyler
And yet it was always Rod Serling, not Rod Sterling. And it was always the Berenstain Bears, not the Berenstein Bears. You can write a wall of text bringing up irrelevant issues about memory if you want to, but those primary facts, and examples like them, are still out there. You can claim you "clearly" remember it differently THEREFORE, since your memory is perfect, you must have switched timelines if you want, but most rational people would not come to that conclusion. It is completely preposterous to claim the whole universe moved so you can justify your perfect memory.

In MY timeline there has ALWAYS been a Rod Serling of Twilight Zone fame and the Berenstain Bears, named after their authors, Stan and Jan Berenstain, since the 1950's. If you claim differently, I must conclude that you have migrated to MY timeline, and since I never granted you permission to do so, you are trespassing.

Get out!

This "effect" annoys me because I love Twilight Zone and Rod Serling. That said, even as a fan, I never actually consciously looked at his name. I obviously probably saw it during the show but I never payed much attention to it. When "Rod Serling" is spoken, it faintly sounds like "Rod Sterling", in my opinion. That plus 'sterling' being a more familiar word than 'serling' equals why when questioned, people not truly aware of his name will pick "Rod Sterling". That's my theory anyway.

originally posted by: TommyD1966
a reply to: Pearj

So you remember there always being 8 continents? I'd bet you remember there being 7.

There are only 6!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: TommyD1966
a reply to: Pearj

So you remember there always being 8 continents? I'd bet you remember there being 7.

There are only 6!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well, in my timeline there . . .

Oh, crap, now I'm doing this silly thing

a reply to: Indigent

Looking at maps these days, South America has moved more East than it used to be from what I remember, I also never was taught about Svalbard it never existed to me until around the 00's and Geography was one my favourite subjects and I know all the countries.

However it could be due to more accurate mapping techniques thanks to satellites and GPS, it could also be true it has physically moved too, seeing as though plates do move over time.

Maybe that's conspiracy in itself that the plates are shifting more than anybody lets on ?

There are certainly some weird things however and he has point.

Same thing with Narwhals, until the internet I had never heard of them, I am still dubious of their existence and do wonder if it's some elaborate internet joke but they're supposedly real creatures and I'm half expecting one day to find out Unicorns are real too.

I've still yet to meet a single person who knew about Narwhals until they read about them on the internet and find it incredibly difficult to believe nobody would teach their child about such a fantastic creature (if they really do exist)

a reply to: Discotech

I wish south America would be more to the east, that way that flight i have taken dozens of times from Caracas to Madrid would not last the 8 hours it last.

I know about Narwhals since the 80s, I had books

One of my Mandella Effects is how a 'few' years ago, when I was up on things, there wasn't a new Mandella Effect thread daily. And now there are!

I have yet to read anything that relates directly to the points (and questions) in my post.

originally posted by: Pearj
I have yet to read anything that relates directly to the points (and questions) in my post.

I address the whole "can't use memory as an excuse" fallacy on my first reply.

Maybe you missed it? It was the post below the one about how memory can't possibly be the reason people are remembering things wrong.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Pearj

So you can dismiss the "memory is fallible" argument?

OK.

What was the colour, make, model and year of car that you saw 3 days after your 4th birthday at 17.42pm EST?

Yellow school bus!