Are You Interested in the Secret Space Program?

Here is an interview of Corey Goode:

a reply to: ConnectDots

You are obviously trying to help sell these people's books and such but the truth is that these people are already known and nobody believes them. The only folks who fall for this are either

A). New to this genre of entertainment fictional writing and role playing that these people use to convince you to buy their books.


B). Are too self invested in these stories to see that they are fictional.


If the groups of aliens and black ops space programs that these people write about were real, this guy, david wilcock, and all the others would all be dead. And they would not be allowed to publish this story.

The stories that they tell of secret military space wars would be a zero sum game. Plus they have no proof. This guy was in a high technology secret program with mind readers and interstellar travel, but he speaks in a vague uneducated manner. Often playing the pronoun game and skipping over any technical details.

I appreciate it's entertainment value, but if you take it for reality, you are already passed the point of seeing through the charlatan's web.

a reply to: Woodcarver

You have posted an internet meme.

You can do that, of course.

I am a concerned citizen of planet Earth.

That's all I am.

I am a retiree who has no need to earn money.

Take or leave my posts, as you wish.

a reply to: LABTECH767


You tend to downplay US efforts to control space with your comments. Boy, two of those sentences you have are whingdingers. One is the longest I've ever read on ATS. I suspect your effort was to take the focus off UFOs and the Nazi influence.


I'll add some topical info here that most people won't want to believe and I didn't, and still have trouble with it. In 1973 in a museum in Chicago that had/has two massive stone lions at the front, I found something that defies explanation. On the, I think, second floor at the end of two galleries was a display of the work of a German Da-Daist artist. Such "art" was a large frame about 30 inches wide by about 40 inches tall that contained bits and pieces of everyday life, tickets, receipts, keys and assorted trash. But in the center of the frame was a clipping from a German newspaper that showed two UFO hovering over pine trees in a snow-covered setting. The "saucers" looked very much like what have been called fakes of other alleged photos of that era. There was a caption under the photo in German that I could not read.

The date on the creation of the exhibit was 1938. I had copied the artist's name, but have not been able to find it and add further documentation for his work. I doubt very much that work still hangs there.

originally posted by: Aliensun
In 1973 in a museum in Chicago that had/has two massive stone lions at the front . . .

Sounds like New York Public Library's Patience and Fortitude.

But in the center of the frame was a clipping from a German newspaper that showed two UFO hovering over pine trees in a snow-covered setting. The "saucers" looked very much like what have been called fakes of other alleged photos of that era. There was a caption under the photo in German that I could not read.

The date on the creation of the exhibit was 1938.

Reminds me of the 1952 incident over Washington, DC, which was reported in newspapers:

worldufophotosandnews.org...

There has been threads on this before, such as this very long one, www.abovetopsecret.com... .

From everything Iv'e heard about him, he seems like a fraud.

He claims to communicate with ETs on the regular. Yet, can't produce one photo, audio or video recording. His reasoning? Because disclosure is coming soon and there is no need to go through the hastle of "proof"?

You hear that? The oldest damn trick in the history of internet cults and charlatans.

Iv'e already commenting on this guy a few too many times, and people enjoy his stories, so maybe I am being too harsh. I just wouldn't take this guy too seriously if i were you.

EDIT : I take being "too harsh" back. This internet deciever just had his fans pay for a vacation. Not only is he making money off his stories, but also getting fans to donate for a vacation.
Here is a qoute from his facebook (www.facebook.com...) :

I wanted to thank the fans that donated a vacation to Long Beach, CA for my family. After the recent traumatic events reported both by Dr. Salla and David Wilcock, it has been wonderful to get away and have some R&R with my kids. Cosmic Disclosure has some of the most generous and "service to others" fans in the world and I don't have the words to express my appreciation. Below is a photo taken today at the Vans Surfing US Open at Huntington Beach. We are here a few more days enjoying the sights.

a reply to: Woodcarver

You gotta give it to him though, hes pretty damn good at what he does. A very good BSer.

a reply to: blueman12

I remember you.

I disagree with you vehemently.

That's okay.

It's a free internet and free forum.

But I don't appreciate members casting aspersions on people I respect.

It doesn't sit well with me.

I don't care if the person is a public figure or not.

If I respect a person, I don't like it when people on ATS ridicule and call people a fraud and every other disparaging name they can think of.

Not to mention that name-calling is a logical fallacy.

a reply to: ConnectDots

Lol! Please explain any of the points I made against Coorey Goode? Or cannot you not defend your cult leader?

Are you telling me that you if you traveled amonst space, in a blue space ball, into a ship full of bird people, you would not try to get a shred of proof?

Okay, I'm sure the first time it would be shocking, but he claims to have done this multiple times and more with different races.

That is only one point. I could go on and on. But, i'm guessing you don't want to talk about his legitimacy, you just want to whine that i'm disrespecting him.

Know who he is disrespecting? His gullible followers that dump money into his pockets because they feel he can give some meaning into their lives and existance on earth.

I usually refrain from calling anyone a fraud, but coorey goode and david wilcock screams "fraud". I'm sorry, but if you've been selling "miracle" oil for 5-10+ years with absolutely zero results, it's most likely snake oil.

originally posted by: ConnectDots
Here is a clip from a Jeff Rense interview of William Tompkins:

I just listened to Rense's first two hour interview with Mr. Tompkins and it was absolutely fascinating. Have every intent to listen to all the rest.

Thank you.

Now for the downside...Wilcox is unreliable and often fed intentional disinfo it seems. Go elsewhere or always check other sources.

originally posted by: liveandlearn
I just listened to Rense's first two hour interview with Mr. Tompkins and it was absolutely fascinating. Have every intent to listen to all the rest.

Thank you.

You are bringing back memories for me.

I used to subscribe to Rense and I have learned a great deal from his program.

I used to get up at 4 AM knowing that the latest download would be online.

Jeff Rense used to have Alex Jones as a regular guest.

Alex Jones is another person who has taught me a great deal.

Then came the Jeff Rense - Alex Jones split, and I was dismayed.

But that's the way it goes, I suppose.

Now for the downside...Wilcox is unreliable and often fed intentional disinfo it seems. Go elsewhere or always check other sources.

I don't believe Wilcock is fed disinfo.

Please Note:

I started this thread in General Chit Chat for a reason: I have no intention of debating you or trying to change your mind.

a reply to: ConnectDots

I don't believe that he is fed any info. I think he is clever enough to write his own fiction.

originally posted by: ConnectDots
Please Note:

I started this thread in General Chit Chat for a reason: I have no intention of debating you or trying to change your mind.

And that is the sad part. You're not willing to discuss his validity. He has never offered a single bit of proof for what he claims. Why would you believe him? Why would you accept any fantastic claim without some kind of proof?

a reply to: Aliensun

Right, take focus off Nazi influence, well before you try to tar and feather me take into account my own opinion on that particular subject.

I DO believe the US may have come into possession of at least one or maybe two Nazi saucers at or very close to the end of the war or perhaps they were able to take custody of certain expert's in that field through operation paperclip.

However I do not believe the NAZI's built there saucers or that they had contact with little grey men.

I DO believe that the NAZI's did have an Antarctic base, maybe more than one and perhaps also south American base's even after the fall of Germany, I do believe they were developing the Atomic bomb there and that they had a contingent of ELITE die hard no surrender Nazi troop's and that the story about Operation High Jump is accurate and they were attacked by a Nazi operated device.

However while I do not buy the story of Hitler meeting little grey men (he met plenty of them but they were his own followers in there grey uniform's) I do indeed believe there was a strong Demonic presence at work in Nazi Germany.

I do not however believe that they gained there Flying Disc science from the Demonic but rather that it was salvaged and reverse engineered technology that I believe the NAZI's themselves could not understand though they were perhaps' able to repair it enough to get partial operational functionality and perhaps even replicate it crudely with no real understanding of the principles upon which it operated.

If you have followed my post's on other thread's then you know that I am a proponent of the idea that one probable site of such salvaged technology was outside the old medieval precinct's and wall's of the old city of Nuremburg were in 1561 a spectacular aerial battle was witnessed by the population.

The famous wood carving of the event was made nearly 5 years afterwards and was based on the artists interpretation's of what he had heard, now look to the right of the image, see the plume of smoke indicating a crash site, it is possible there were numerous actual crash site's from this aerial battle between two opposing forces that fought over the primitive city below and fought for who knows what reason, they may even have been two different races and perhaps the human's below them were the prize, it would be comforting to think that perhaps one side was protecting the primitive culture below from the other's wish to exploit it somehow and discomforting to wonder which side actually lost.
www.ufoevidence.org...

In the latter 1930's the Nazi's performed massive construction's, building a huge parade ground and stadium for there Nazi rally's in Nuremburg, of course it was one of the seat's of the NAZI party's rise to power but of course you must also recognize that it was also the perfect pretext under which to perform massive excavation's of the site, level the terrain and perhaps retrieve whatever was left of the buried crashed aerial vehicles which had been witnessed nearly 400 years prior to there probable recovery being shot down, they may even have obtained vehicles or rather the remains' of vehicles from both side's in that conflict and to have been able to cobble together pieces or even to have gotten one of them to work like I pointed out earlier.

As you also know the Ahnenerb whom were intimately related to the black sun pagan German nationalist's whom believed in a fairy tale romanticized and mostly made up history for the German people were very highly influential in the third Reich and indeed essential to the NAZI propaganda machine, they believed whole heartedly in a former super civilization that once existed but had been destroyed in distant antiquity and even sent expedition's to the furthest corners of the world in search of lost record's (they also seized entire library's from secret orders in country's they invaded during the war) and evidence of the ancient super technology that they believed in which of course mean's that they DID excavate Nuremburg in search of those crash site's.

Now like I said did the US then recover perhaps even one of the original craft and could the Roswell incident which is fairly closely timed with the operation high jump story mean that the US could have been test flying either one of these cobbled together wreck's or even a NAZI reverse engineered disc (Assuming they could even attempt to reverse engineer one, imagine trying to replicate a silicon chip with only valve production and science to go by).

However the NAZI bell experiment would suggest that the NAZI's had at least one working model of an engine, perhaps recovered from the remains' of one of these craft or reverse engineered from them and personally I do not buy the idea that Victor Schauberger's implosion engine was the source of this tech.


So what I am saying is that perhaps you should take your foot out of your mouth before accusing someone in the wrong.


N.B.
It is perhaps plausible also that the US operation was at least partially successful in retrieving technology and defeating at least one NAZI hold out in Antarctica but I believe given Admiral Byrd's statement about craft that could fly from pole to pole in hours that it is more likely they were beaten back after recovering SOME technology.

You may also be aware of this,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now think on this, the US priority's had shifted from destroying the NAZI's to recovering there technological advancement's in order to face off against the newly rearmed soviet union with whom they were ideologically opposed so it is also probable that if the operation highjump was a failure they would instead have offered safe sanctuary to the same fanatical NAZI's and perhaps even there own autonomy somewhere in south America or even within the US for the small price of sharing there invention's and or recovered reverse engineered saucer technology.

You may also be aware that after the war the NAZI's own intelligence operatives were first invited in to the US secret service's and later more or less took them over entirely during the cold war establishing there own place in the military industrial establishment of the US, this is of course a no less disputed fact but one that may be even more unpleasant to think about.

IF they kept control of there tech they may have only milked it to the US until such time as they had sufficiently infiltrated the US intelligence and corporate infrastructure to establish themselves as untouchable's.

Do they have UFO's, I suspect that maybe yes but also maybe even with today's technology there is technology in those machine's which is still not reverse engineerable due to it's nature, either beyond our level of understanding and/or perhaps even operating on other dimensional principle's.

SO once again even if they did have any ship's of that type (Which given the fact they were deployed from two large MOTHER SHIP's over Nuremburg in 1561 are probably or even definitely not capable of interstellar flight) then they probably only have them in extremely limited numbers and have reverse engineered what they can and kept what they can not until such time as we can at least begin to understand them.

Further to this following the war Allied bomb disposal squad's (or those masquerading as such) would have been able to operate with impunity at Nuremburg.

a reply to: ConnectDots

I am defo in!!! I want to go on the space ships to space...

I have been reading W.A. Harbinson's Projekt saucer as well as that weird pop group feller that was on ATS a while back...what was his name again?

Anyway, count me in!

Much love Jon



I should have said xxx right? I meant to...f***

a reply to: LABTECH767

Just a slight continuation, I actually partially believe Bob Lazaar was telling mostly the truth, the destruction of his identity would fit precisely the pattern and ability's of those he claim's to have betrayed but I also suspect by the fact he is alive and wrote a book that he was also partially disinformation, indeed maybe primarily that was his mission and for instance while I like his schematic of his sport's type (which of course is missing out any technical information) I would rather believe that the wave guide system and central column (which should also include a central spherical module if I am correct) was actually part of a quantum entanglement drive system which would facilitate inertia-less motion, instantaneous course correction's and manoeuvres, instant acceleration (as it is not actually accelerating in a kinetic fashion but rather making extremely fast tiny quantum relocations in space time) and that it was not a gravitational field drive as he posited (Which would still have to accelerate and decelerate even if it could negate most of it's inertia,
But that is just my take and once again since he and the other engineers/scientist's struggled to comprehend what they were working on.


I also believe that when Human's finally figure out that it IS possible to quantum entangle and displace mass (or the space that the mass is concentrated within) that this technology is not so far beyond the human capability to produce and if it is a quantum displacement drive then the speed of light would be perhaps' well within it's capability, this is not folding space however but rather something similar to the principle in which potential charge has been teleported (Quantum displacement is actually not teleportation it is making it exist in two places at one and neither but then making it come out at the one of those two places that you want it to re-emerge into normal space out of it's entangled state and current science would be more suitable for faster than light communication's) by quantum scientists in research.


I believe there are some constraint's on there technology however and that they can only make miniscule displacement's in space time (move from place to place) and so they do them sequentially at a very high rate, it is still inertia-less if I am correct but at lower rate's would seem to be simply linear motion (if strange with right angle turn's, instant stop's and high speed evasion without acceleration.

a reply to: Jonjonj

You should read this book by Jane's Aviation journalist Nick Cook.

Here is a PDF of the book.
vielewelten.at...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Change "Bob Lazar was telling partially the truth" for the whole truth and I agree.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Jonjonj

You should read this book by Jane's Aviation journalist Nick Cook.

Here is a PDF of the book.
vielewelten.at...

Thank you for that link.