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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Dump the Trump!
Vote your conscience. Vote Hillary Clinton.
I love you all,
Harry
Only if a person's conscious is full of pure evil.
I hope you're right. The polls can be effected that way and used as a brain washing tool.
originally posted by: VforVendettea
a reply to: xstealth
The pollsters call people with a landline who are t home with enough spare time to waste 15 minutes talking to strangers.
People working 50+ hours a week don't have that time to waste.
originally posted by: muse7
We know that minorities, LGBT, Muslims and most women won't vote Trump. There's also a large percentage of sane white people that won't vote Trump.
So it's not that difficult to see why he's quickly sinking in the polls.
Welcome to the General Election.
Where bigotry doesn't work like it does in Republican primaries.
originally posted by: Ripper777
originally posted by: muse7
We know that minorities, LGBT, Muslims and most women won't vote Trump. There's also a large percentage of sane white people that won't vote Trump.
So it's not that difficult to see why he's quickly sinking in the polls.
Welcome to the General Election.
Where bigotry doesn't work like it does in Republican primaries.
For what it's worth: I am Hispanic, gay and live in Los Angeles [proper]; and I know far more people who have decided to vote Trump than I do who will vote Hillary.
Moreover, I know a larger number of people (who traditionally vote Democrat) that will not be casting their vote this election despite active participation in all prior elections.
I personally don't know a single Black person who supports Clinton and among Hispanic friends, not only do more than half like Trump but have admitted (when others aren't around) that they are voting for him.
From my vantage point, only those who illegally immigrated from Mexico and remain illegal, latino militants who want to expelled the US and rebuild Aztlan, and the Spanish media who are headquartered and produce their content in Mexico are the only Hispanics who oppose and will not vote Trump (if they could or if they could without appearing to have conformed to the US).
And among those I know and interact with in the LGBT community, those who graduated from a four-year college are voting Green or Libertarian. As for everyone else, those who have never seen the Hillary and the Obama video each stating they oppose gay marriage and why, about 99%, plan on voting Hillary (until I show them these two videos in which case the consensus has been they will not vote at all).
originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
originally posted by: Ripper777
originally posted by: muse7
We know that minorities, LGBT, Muslims and most women won't vote Trump. There's also a large percentage of sane white people that won't vote Trump.
So it's not that difficult to see why he's quickly sinking in the polls.
Welcome to the General Election.
Where bigotry doesn't work like it does in Republican primaries.
For what it's worth: I am Hispanic, gay and live in Los Angeles [proper]; and I know far more people who have decided to vote Trump than I do who will vote Hillary.
Moreover, I know a larger number of people (who traditionally vote Democrat) that will not be casting their vote this election despite active participation in all prior elections.
I personally don't know a single Black person who supports Clinton and among Hispanic friends, not only do more than half like Trump but have admitted (when others aren't around) that they are voting for him.
From my vantage point, only those who illegally immigrated from Mexico and remain illegal, latino militants who want to expelled the US and rebuild Aztlan, and the Spanish media who are headquartered and produce their content in Mexico are the only Hispanics who oppose and will not vote Trump (if they could or if they could without appearing to have conformed to the US).
And among those I know and interact with in the LGBT community, those who graduated from a four-year college are voting Green or Libertarian. As for everyone else, those who have never seen the Hillary and the Obama video each stating they oppose gay marriage and why, about 99%, plan on voting Hillary (until I show them these two videos in which case the consensus has been they will not vote at all).
I have stated in another thread, that I speak to people all the time, and I live in a mainly Democratic county. VERY Democratic. And while in 2012 I knew lots of people that were voting Obama (I mean the other choice WAS freaking Romney so...), I have not met ONE person who has admitted to me they are voting Clinton. NOT ONE. Everyone I meet says Trump, or Stein. There WERE a lot of pro-Sanders people, but they were so pi##ed off about what the Democrats did to him that they have refused to ever vote Democrat again. I don't think the DNC realizes just how much damage they have done to that party. I don't think it's going to survive this.
I predict that the elections after this will, depending on if Trump is the real deal or not, change to a more 3 or 4 party system. I realize there are a lot of non-presidential Democrats in office, but people are seriously ticked off at the system after seeing how corrupt the process is.
originally posted by: Power_Semi
originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
originally posted by: Ripper777
originally posted by: muse7
We know that minorities, LGBT, Muslims and most women won't vote Trump. There's also a large percentage of sane white people that won't vote Trump.
So it's not that difficult to see why he's quickly sinking in the polls.
Welcome to the General Election.
Where bigotry doesn't work like it does in Republican primaries.
For what it's worth: I am Hispanic, gay and live in Los Angeles [proper]; and I know far more people who have decided to vote Trump than I do who will vote Hillary.
Moreover, I know a larger number of people (who traditionally vote Democrat) that will not be casting their vote this election despite active participation in all prior elections.
I personally don't know a single Black person who supports Clinton and among Hispanic friends, not only do more than half like Trump but have admitted (when others aren't around) that they are voting for him.
From my vantage point, only those who illegally immigrated from Mexico and remain illegal, latino militants who want to expelled the US and rebuild Aztlan, and the Spanish media who are headquartered and produce their content in Mexico are the only Hispanics who oppose and will not vote Trump (if they could or if they could without appearing to have conformed to the US).
And among those I know and interact with in the LGBT community, those who graduated from a four-year college are voting Green or Libertarian. As for everyone else, those who have never seen the Hillary and the Obama video each stating they oppose gay marriage and why, about 99%, plan on voting Hillary (until I show them these two videos in which case the consensus has been they will not vote at all).
I have stated in another thread, that I speak to people all the time, and I live in a mainly Democratic county. VERY Democratic. And while in 2012 I knew lots of people that were voting Obama (I mean the other choice WAS freaking Romney so...), I have not met ONE person who has admitted to me they are voting Clinton. NOT ONE. Everyone I meet says Trump, or Stein. There WERE a lot of pro-Sanders people, but they were so pi##ed off about what the Democrats did to him that they have refused to ever vote Democrat again. I don't think the DNC realizes just how much damage they have done to that party. I don't think it's going to survive this.
I predict that the elections after this will, depending on if Trump is the real deal or not, change to a more 3 or 4 party system. I realize there are a lot of non-presidential Democrats in office, but people are seriously ticked off at the system after seeing how corrupt the process is.
Same with me in the UK in the Brexit vote - I spoke to probably 120 - 140 people (friends, customers, etc) and only 3 or 4 said they were voting remain - yet the polls showed remain in the lead and Brexit only won by 2%.
You could argue that it's regional bias, but the same thing was being reported across the country. There were of course places like London where a lot of EU money goes that were very pro remain (allegedly), but overall the feeling of us plebs seemed to be we wanted to leave.
I believe they did try to rig the referendum but didn't manipulate it enough - and that if it had been fiddle free Brexit would have easily won by double digits.
But of course the only voices who get air time are remainers (or remoaners as we call them now because they still won't stop whinging), so it skews public opinion.
All of our elections are rigged and/or manipulated by vested interests in the media.
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: dismanrc
I'm voting for Stein so that's a vote for Stein. I want NEITHER Hillary who is as liberal as the sky is neon green, nor Trump.
Hillary is in it for one reason to do her corporate masters bidding, that's it.
A vote for third party is a vote against both parties.
Sure one of the two parties will win, but at the end of the day, when one of those two parties win and further destroy our country, I can say I voted against them, no matter which wins.
If you vote for Hillary or Trump and your candidate wins, you own that, and every wrong they commit you're partly responsible for.
Wake up America, stop being an accomplice to criminals.
originally posted by: dismanrc
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: dismanrc
I'm voting for Stein so that's a vote for Stein. I want NEITHER Hillary who is as liberal as the sky is neon green, nor Trump.
Hillary is in it for one reason to do her corporate masters bidding, that's it.
A vote for third party is a vote against both parties.
Sure one of the two parties will win, but at the end of the day, when one of those two parties win and further destroy our country, I can say I voted against them, no matter which wins.
If you vote for Hillary or Trump and your candidate wins, you own that, and every wrong they commit you're partly responsible for.
Wake up America, stop being an accomplice to criminals.
That's the issue behind Trump. He isn't one of he two parties, BUT knew to win you have to BE one of the two parties. That's why the main stream GOP don't like him. He could have run as a third party, but that just means the DC would have won. I don't think he is GOP, but the again I DON"T LIKE what the GOP has become, still better then the DNC but...
originally posted by: dismanrc
a reply to: nomoredemsorreps
No problem with that.
I think of myself somewhere between GOP and Libertarian. The issue is that the Libertarians don't really have the pull to run and just end of pulling people from the GOP, which means the Dems win.
Bernie looked like he might split them the same way this year, but in the end he folded.