Newest political polls shows 1 out of every 2 people will vote Hillary Clinton

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: LSU0408
Reason and logic? Is that how you view the Clinton campaign? She's screwed her own party by rigging the primaries and got caught, along with getting caught lying about her email scandal in an interview and you call that reason and logic? Even more confusing is how you don't think that falls under the same tab as hate and anger...

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as rigging a primary. Parties are private organizations, they can determine their candidate in whatever way they wish? Every 3rd party simply appointed on so did the Democrats, the Republicans tried but went with a vote in the end.

Yeah what always goes unmentioned is that both the Green party and the Libertarian party selected their nominees the least Democratic way possible. They just said, "this guy is gonna run."

Do they scheme over emails on ways to backdoor the other nominee(s)?

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Aazadan

Again you're wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. People had to resign over how wrong you are.

They resigned to try and win back the battle over public opinion, not because what they did was against their parties rules.

originally posted by: LSU0408
Do they scheme over emails on ways to backdoor the other nominee(s)?

Yes. And it's typically lead by the person who takes the nomination.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Its cool, they dont like mini mods, and people who try and reduce quality content so as to unload their misplaced frustrations.

But hey, I never said I was above any of this. So lets be idiots together.

We should have done this eons ago.

on topic,

This one poll is not trusted by any authority, so why should we?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If it were anyone but Hillary I might agree. But she is quite literally the poster girl of everything I'm against. She is quite literally the incarnation of everything wrong with citizens united and the reach of big banks and business.

I can't even pretend or delude myself even slightly that she does not have every intent to further remove our rights while empowering her handlers.

If I vote for Hillary I will never be able to look myself in the mirror again, nor take any of my ideals seriously.

a reply to: Aazadan

Something can be within the rules and still be wrong.

There's something called integrity.

Just because the rules allow for you to succeed without it, does not mean that doing so is right.

If you prove you have no integrity, even if the rules are on your side, it's both fair and right for people to hold that lack of integrity against you.

They did something WRONG, not against the rules but WRONG, and in doing so RIGHTLY earned the ire of many of their voters. These people were made to resign because they have no integrity, and because their lack of integrity demonstrates a contempt for their constituents which RIGHTLY mires the image of their party. They were made to resign because people are getting fed up with a lack of integrity, of people doing WRONG things and getting away with them because they are technically within the rules.

Rules and Laws are there to help prevent wrong doing, but they aren't the stopping point, there's also personal responsibility in terms of ETHICS and INTEGRITY.

Something they showed themselves to lack.

So you can take your technicalities and shove it, because wrong doing is not limited to what's technically acceptable.

It's completely legal for me to call you a complete and total douche who regularly engages in acts of bestiality with your neighbors #zu, but that wouldn't make it right, and you and your friends have a right to pissed at me doing it, even if it rightfully falls under freedom of speech.

Addendum: Hahaha the censors blocked a dogbreed

originally posted by: Puppylove
Something can be within the rules and still be wrong.

Which is why people resigned. The court of public opinion found against them and it was hurting the brand. So out with the old, in with the new, and business as usual continues.

There's something called integrity.

Not in politics there's not. Adhering to an ideology just for the sake of adhering to it is the best way to not get anything accomplished. In the real world compromise is the golden word, and that means compromising everything. Your values, your beliefs, your opinions. To do otherwise isn't compromise.

If you prove you have no integrity, even if the rules are on your side, it's both fair and right for people to hold that lack of integrity against you.

Really? What Bernie did was genius. He made his ideas popular, got Hillary to sign on to them, made them part of the DNC platform, and he's got the money (power) in his campaign coffers to make people follow through on it. If they're successful he'll get the credit, and if the Democrats somehow lose the election Hillary the person, not Hillary the platform will take the flak, and the ideas will still be around to try again in 4 years. Unlike Bernie who may not be.

It was a very good move on his part. Not as ideal as getting elected, but still a very good outcome for him. Of course, his followers who don't understand politics could ruin all that by walking away but... that's Democracy for you.

They did something WRONG, not against the rules but WRONG, and in doing so RIGHTLY earned the ire of many of their voters.

And had they simply appointed a nominee like they used to, they could have avoided all of that ire. We'll probably see the parties revert to that system after this election. It makes for more supportive constituents.

Rules and Laws are there to help prevent wrong doing, but they aren't the stopping point, there's also personal responsibility in terms of ETHICS and INTEGRITY.

No, that's the justification to sell them to the public. Rules and laws exist either to maintain the status quo or to usher in a new way of doing things. Wrong doing is entirely too subjective to be prevented by rules and laws.

because wrong doing is not limited to what's technically acceptable.

The most common form of what the majority of people would consider to be wrong doing is lying. Yet lying is an absolute foundation in our society in everything from business to relationships to politics. The entire world runs on lies, and would collapse without them.

It's completely legal for me to call you a complete and total douche who regularly engages in acts of bestiality with your neighbors #zu, but that wouldn't make it right, and you and your friends have a right to pissed at me doing it, even if it rightfully falls under freedom of speech.

It is legal to call me a douche as it's an opinion, and a pretty accurate one too. Claiming I really really love dogs is slander. Of course on my end, if I were to sue you in civil court for slander I would have to prove damages stemming from it. No damages=no case.

It's more evident all the time, but the time is now to start voting third party. Green, Libertarian, Constitution and others.

Our Votes give them power...power to be at debates, easier ballot access and in some cases a win. But don't just vote, send money, sign petitions, campaign, post on social media, as I'm doing here.

More and more people are seeing this, it's just a matter of when third parties hit critical mass...

There really isn't much difference between Hillary and Trump...the primary campaign has confirmed for many of us that Hillary is a bit shady and unethical at best, criminal at worst. Trump is a buffoon who will "Make America Dumb again" LOL (I made that up!)

Third Party my friends, third party!

a reply to: amazing

I don't even know that people need to vote third party, just don't vote for a mainstream party if you don't support them. No need to research alternatives, no need to vote for someone you might not agree with 100%. Just vote or don't vote. If Hillary gets 60 million votes, Trump gets 40 million, and Johnson gets 2 million, simply removing the 40% of people in the middle who don't like Hillary or Trump reduces those numbers to 36 million, 24 million, and 2 million. Suddenly, without even adding any new voters you've nearly pushed the third party candidate to the magical 5% mark.

There's a lot of power in not voting. If you don't like a candidate, the best move isn't to vote for their opposition because that ends up in a wash as others do the opposite of you. Simply not voting at all is a vote against all of them, and much more effective because it amplifies the voices of other choices.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: amazing

I don't even know that people need to vote third party, just don't vote for a mainstream party if you don't support them. No need to research alternatives, no need to vote for someone you might not agree with 100%. Just vote or don't vote. If Hillary gets 60 million votes, Trump gets 40 million, and Johnson gets 2 million, simply removing the 40% of people in the middle who don't like Hillary or Trump reduces those numbers to 36 million, 24 million, and 2 million. Suddenly, without even adding any new voters you've nearly pushed the third party candidate to the magical 5% mark.

There's a lot of power in not voting. If you don't like a candidate, the best move isn't to vote for their opposition because that ends up in a wash as others do the opposite of you. Simply not voting at all is a vote against all of them, and much more effective because it amplifies the voices of other choices.

But that's not a very decisive or assertive move. That's inaction. You should still vote third party, because that gives them ballot access and debate access and that turns into an upward spiral of name recognition and legitimacy.

a reply to: Aazadan

You're free to reinforce bad behavior by giving politicians a pass when caught engaging in morally depraved and/or questionable acts.

I however will not. We've been enabling and making excuses for politicians for far too long. Is why we're where we are today.

"They all do it." "We all lie" "Every politician is crooked."

Enable, enable, enable.

No, wrong, this acceptance is the worst thing we can possibly do.

Yes corruption will always exist, yes everyone lies, yes, yes, and yes.

But the only way to reduce it, is to actively fight against it.

All these things exist, and always will, but how much if it does and how successful it is, is dependent on how much we fight it and strive for better.

Honestly we need to clean house so bad, we should have a no tolerance policy until they get the idea, then we can relax a bit.

These are the people that run our country that are expected to care for us, that we should be holding them to the highest standard, not the lowest.

As is, they're all liars, they all have scandalous behavior, they're all crooked as we say, and they rape, commit shady murders, keep unsecured top secret information, sell weapons to terrorists, and so much more, and we the people let them get away with it. We literally have no standards too low that they could drop to that we won't let them get away with.

We NEED to drastically push back. Things are so far to the one side we to push way to the other to have a chance to fix things. Honestly that's what we need to do. Hold these bastards accountable, stop making excuses for them, and toss them on the street for even the most minor infraction until they get the idea.

originally posted by: Orionx2
Fox news has Clinton +10??? Damn. Going to have to buy a few more AR-15s and stock up on ammo before the ban..... Clinton wow. Just shows how far people's head's are in the sand...

If your head is in the sand, you are on your knees

originally posted by: amazing
But that's not a very decisive or assertive move. That's inaction. You should still vote third party, because that gives them ballot access and debate access and that turns into an upward spiral of name recognition and legitimacy.

Not everything needs to be assertive. Politics is pay to play. If you know you have a voter turnout of 200 million people and you need 5% of that, it means you need to make the case to the big donors that you need the money to buy 10 million votes, anything less than that is wasted spending. If you cut that to 150 million people, you now only need to buy 7.5 million votes, a 25% discount on the cost of obtaining power without having to attract a single extra person to your cause.

Indeed. Hillary supporters.

a reply to: xstealth

Logic Dictates 1 Out of 2 Americans are Effed Up Med Heads who have Lost their Ability to Recognize Reality . What should be Done with these Mentally Augmented Useless Eaters ? Any Suggestions are Welcome .

It's a little hard to figure out how Hillary can be +10 when other polls like this one in this thread say only about 50% are going to vote for her.

And if the turnout for her is as stellar as it is at her campaign events on voting day ... then it won't matter how many say they prefer her. She won't win.

a reply to: ketsuko

It's a little hard to figure out how Hillary can be +10 when other polls like this one in this thread say only about 50% are going to vote for her.

What is so hard to figure out?

1 out of 2 that would be 50% and she is over 50% in some polls.

+10 means that is 10 points higher than Trump. So if he is at 40% and she is at 50% she is both 10 points higher and getting 1 out of every 2 voters.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
SO jill stein or the other guy are bad? And Apparently you didnt comprehend what was said. I have no favorites.
The only thing I dont want is Clinton,but ya know what? if she does get elected dont come crying to me about it when your guns are out lawed and the country is bankrupt finally. I tmay be a wasted vote but im not going to vote for clinton or trump.

Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. You don't care about the 3rd party candidates because they didn't have a very public power struggle. If Clinton or Trump came to prominence in the same way, you wouldn't care about them either.

If they were switched around and they switched records id still feel the same. I have no favs but i do think we don tneed anyone who has been in the whitehouse before. even if she wasnt president.

a reply to: muse7

I am currently sitting in a house filled with Mexican's, and some happen to be women. They will all be voting for Trump with me.


That was a pretty racist and sexist comment, don't you think?

a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm basically saying put all the polls together and look at all the numbers and some of them are wrong. They can't all be right.

In other words, it's all over the map right now.