Archaeologists discovered the oldest forged gold, nearly 8000 years old.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Almost!! You are almost there, just remove the sci fi

a reply to: tikbalang

except one thing, I believe the Anunaki were devils not aliens

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Flavian

You quote a source which also say; Roman Empire.. Understand why you searched for Gold.. I'll hint you, they call it chemistry today..
I'm sure gold is a great compound in metallurgy..

I find no interest in having a discussion with someone who can't think for himself

You are talking about alchemy and immortality - the thread is about a new archeological discovery in Bulgaria.

Alchemy and immortality are certainly intriguing subjects but don't really belong in this forum or thread - unless new alchemical finds have been made!

And you're final sentence - let's be honest, eh? What you mean is you don't want to discuss furthermore with people that call you on your wild speculations and ask to see your sources. Speculation is fine, simply make it clear it is speculation and not fact or source based.

Sorry to the Op for going off topic but really felt the need to address that post.

a reply to: Flavian

Why did you use gold in the first place?

Just a simple question.. aint that hard..

If someone wants an animal to perform something outside of their natural habitat, what do you do? You feed it, otherwise it wont do tricks.. Will you do tricks if you arent feed?

The discovery is about quote;

Big scientific sensation - archaeologists discovered near Pazardzhik (Bulgaria) gold made earlier in the Varna Necropolis. This means that gold beads found in the "City of Birds" near "Yunatsite" became the oldest gold in Europe. The discovery will change the reading frame of history in our lands. People lived in the city of the birds before 8000 years were carriers of a high culture and a well-developed civilization.

Ive seen numerous biased sites on Bulgarian heritage, where they cocktail lies after lies..
None of the cultures lived, where it is stated when they lived..

All my research end up as earliest as 1000BC..

There was no usage for gold, before a certain culture.. Thats it, you dont do things without a purpose..

a reply to: tikbalang

the aununaki were said to be the children o those of he plant Nibru or planet X. It is said they wanted the gold to suspend in the atmosphere of planet X s as to reflect more sun light to their planet.

More recent interpretation is that they covered a moon in gold to refract sunlight onto the surface. That is why some believed they had a moon that shies like the sun or acts like a sun depends on how those old stories are interpreted.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

6000 years later

a reply to: tikbalang
snicker snicker snicker

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: iasenko

Im gonna try to explain something, there is a reason why we forged gold 8.000 years ago.. Humans didnt just mine gold for mining gold, there was no reason to mine gold 8kya...

Gold in its original form looks like someone took a s****

Most gold prior to 2000 BCE was surface gold found near rivers like the Pactolus in Lydia, Asia Minor. Gold isn't now, nor was it ever, forged. Once the Egyptians and Romans began mining it, it was smelted. But forging is an entirely different process. Smelting is done to separate ores after ingots are mined. Forging is for shaping. Gold is an extremely soft metal and doesnt require forging to shape it.

a reply to: peter vlar

Now, what was it used for at first?

a reply to: iasenko

Anybody else notice the guy they buried in the Wiki link? He was 4600 years old and buried with what they thought was the oldest gold. Pretty sure he had gold covering his wang. Was that normal practice back then?

a reply to: tikbalang

What point are you trying to make ?

a reply to: kibric

That some cultures are parasites even in EU

a reply to: tikbalang

Aww.....

i thought you were eluding to alchemy

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: tikbalang
According to Zachariah Sitchen people mind gold to give t the anuanki who were actually aliens from another planet

Just.NO.

That bit of fiction has no place in a archeological thread.
Sitchen did NOT do his research and half-assed his little story. Nu-agers just won't let it go, all it does is derail serious threads.

That line of conversation is better suited for the metaphysical forum, or the Gray Area.

a reply to: iasenko

Although not the same topic, i just thought i would post a link to Archeologica and an article about discoveries in Bulgaria in July 2016. This should (hopefully) demonstrate the extensive excavations currently under way there. With ever more digs, obviously more finds are being made. For example, 8'000 year old dwellings in Slatina (Sofia suburb).

Archeological finds in Bulgaria in July 2016

Well it seem that this thread is going in a bit different direction I initially intended to go.
Let me put it back on the rails with some more info.

Here is link with info and pictures from the archaeological site Yunatsite on the Balkan Heritage Field School website:
But first, PLEASE NOTE THAT I DO NOT PROMOTE ANY OF THE PROGRAMS DESCRIBED ON THE WEBSITE, I POST IT ONLY AS A INFORMATION AND ILLUSTRATION SOURCE. IF THIS IS CONSIDERED AS AN ADVERTISEMENT, PLEASE DELETE THIS COMMENT!

the Balkan Heritage Field School website


Regarding the "forging", I was misled by a title in a newspaper, so accept my apologies on this one.

a reply to: peter vlar

Gold isn't now, nor was it ever, forged. Once the Egyptians and Romans began mining it, it was smelted. But forging is an entirely different process. Smelting is done to separate ores after ingots are mined. Forging is for shaping. Gold is an extremely soft metal and doesnt require forging to shape it.

your wrong in parts of this.as far as smelting yes that is true, smelting is for all metals, steel, iron, gold,silver, copper, aluminum
as far as forgoing that is false. as you said forgings is the shaping of metal,

forge1 fôrj/ verb gerund or present participle: forging
1. make or shape (a metal object) by heating it in a fire or furnace and beating or hammering it.
synonyms:
hammer out, beat into shape, fashion
"smiths forged swords" create (a relationship or new conditions). "the two women forged a close bond" synonyms: build, construct, form, create, establish, set up "they forged a partnership"
2. produce a copy or imitation of (a document, signature, banknote, or work or art) for the purpose of deception. synonyms: fake, falsify, counterfeit, copy, imitate, reproduce, replicate, simulate More

gold is forged hot and cold.

here is just one example of cold gold forging.

GanoksinFan Cold forging of karat gold findings

and then you have Annealing where gold is heated up to 1400 degrees, i have heard of going higher but can cause problems such as stress cracks.


here is some info on Annealing gold,
Important Information About Working with Gold

Hot Metal Forging For Jewelers and Metalsmiths
Copper, Silver, brass and gold can be successfully forged while working the metal red hot. Hot forged metals will forge out very quickly and do not need to be repeatedly annealed. Hot forging allows the metalsmith to forge out large billets of metal allowing the artist to use larger more dynamic forged design elements. Students will learn how to alloy and pour sterling silver ingots then forge the poured ingots into square billets. Students will forge the billets into variety of predetermined designs using a variety hot metal forging techniques. The forged elements made in this class can be directly integrated into future jewelry or sculpture designs. This is an intermediate metalsmithing class and students should have some experience with jewelry and metalsmithing fabrication techniques and studio tools.
Workshops and Lectures

also gold is cast into some shapes. you can google that.
here is a example of casting gold


now as for the ingots thing, as long as i've been doing it, not so much any more. i've never heard of raw gold being called ingots, all i've ever learned is, in it's unrefined state it is called flakes, nuggets, or ore. ingots come from the smelting process where the metal is poured into forms. you can get ingots of all metals. you can google that to.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I knew I was going to get bit in the ass for a rushed comment like that's and I totally should have known better, especially about ignoring cold forging of gold. I'm not too humble to admit when I am in error and I appreciate the correct information being demonstrated so thanks for providing that with appropriate links and citations.

a reply to: peter vlar

no problem. i tried not to sound to nasty, i know sometimes i can.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: peter vlar

no problem. i tried not to sound to nasty, i know sometimes i can.

Nah. And if you had, it would have been karma. I'm not the most congenial person when I'm on a 'correcting errors' binge myself.