mandella effect, in the bible?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It's a misquote that gained traction. It was never in the Bible, many people quoted it though (it was pretty famous as verses go). So you definitely heard it that way, it was just never written that way.

Why would it be misquoted in the same way by different people?

What about all the people who actually studied the bible themselves and swear it was lion?

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It's a misquote that gained traction. It was never in the Bible, many people quoted it though (it was pretty famous as verses go). So you definitely heard it that way, it was just never written that way.

Why would it be misquoted in the same way by different people?

What about all the people who actually studied the bible themselves and swear it was lion?

All it takes is one person to say it wrong.

Why do so many Americans say "I could care less". It's said wrong, it gains traction. Or do you think that is the Mandella Effect too?

What about the people who studied the Bible and know it's a misquote and correct it when they hear it?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

All it takes is one person to say it wrong.

And you base this claim on, what?

Why do so many Americans say "I could care less". It's said wrong, it gains traction. Or do you think that is the Mandella Effect too?

Bad example. This is speaking language, it is not a rigid qoute in a book that has been read worldwide by millions and millions.

What about the people who studied the Bible and know it's a misquote and correct it when they hear it?

I haven't seen those yet. It is besides the point here though. You said it was a misqoute, suggesting that people have heard it wrong to which I responded that a lot of those claims are by people who studied the bible themselves, and therefore have not based ther claims on misqoutes.

LearntheBible.org says you should learn the Bible:

The Lion and Lamb
I often hear preachers use the phrase "and the lamb will lie down with the lion". I am assuming they are quoting the Bible, but I can't find it. I have read Isaiah 11:6-8 and the Book of Revelation numerous times and have yet to find it. What does this phrase the lamb will lie down with the lion mean?


This is not an exact quote from scripture but rather a combination of thoughts from a couple of verses.

Isaiah 11:6

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 65:25

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Both of these passages deal with the kingdom age on the earth after the Lord Jesus Christ returns to reign on the earth as King of kings. The ferocious beasts (like the lion) will live peaceably with the gentle animals (like the lamb). Certainly, this will be a literal reality on the earth. However, this picture is also symbolic of the peace that will pervade the entire earth. When preachers speak of the lion and the lamb lying down together, they are referring to the time of peace when Jesus will reign as King over the earth.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

All it takes is one person to say it wrong.

And you base this claim on, what?

Why do so many Americans say "I could care less". It's said wrong, it gains traction. Or do you think that is the Mandella Effect too?

Bad example. This is speaking language, it is not a rigid qoute in a book that has been read worldwide by millions and millions.

What about the people who studied the Bible and know it's a misquote and correct it when they hear it?

I haven't seen those yet. It is besides the point here though. You said it was a misqoute, suggesting that people have heard it wrong to which I responded that a lot of those claims are by people who studied the bible themselves, and therefore have not based ther claims on misqoutes.

I base my claims on the numerous cases where we can prove people are just saying things wrong. I bet in 5 seconds I can find websites talking about correcting people.

I was with a group of pastors recently in Sydney where one of them quizzed me about the prophecy in the Old Testament referring to the lion and lamb laying down together. I gently pointed out that this expression doesn’t appear in the Bible.

www.andrewcorbett.net...

People get things wrong, all the time.

For the wolf shall dwell with lamb, as the lion shall eat straw like the bullock;
Then too, must it pass, the wolf shall eat straw as the lamb lays with the lion.

In other words, it doesn’t matter if the verse is jumbled up because on Noah’s Ark all the animals were in harmony. Even though the verse has seemingly been misquoted or misremembered in such a way, nothing changes its context and meaning.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I was with a group of pastors recently in Sydney where one of them quizzed me about the prophecy in the Old Testament referring to the lion and lamb laying down together. I gently pointed out that this expression doesn’t appear in the Bible.

So does this prove that the group of pastors got it "wrong" because others had misqouted it and they picked up on it? That's strange since you expect a group of pastors to do a lot of bible reading themselves throughout ther lives.

I would say this doesn't support your claim at all, but the opposite.

a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

Maybe you forget what you said.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
What about the people who studied the Bible and know it's a misquote and correct it when they hear it?

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
I haven't seen those yet.

I found that in about 2 seconds of looking.

Apparently unlike you the pastors that got it wrong accepted they got it wrong.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I found that in about 2 seconds of looking.

Yes you were looking. That doesn't make my statement any less true.

Apparently unlike you the pastors that got it wrong accepted they got it wrong.

Seems like you made up half of what you were saying. You know lying is a sin, my son.

I was with a group of pastors recently in Sydney where one of them quizzed me about the prophecy in the Old Testament referring to the lion and lamb laying down together. I gently pointed out that this expression doesn’t appear in the Bible. They immediately challenged my assertion. I quoted Isaiah 11:6 and pointed out that it refers to the wolf and the lamb not the lionand the lamb. I pointed out the significance of this prophecy and its most probable interpretation. They said that they would check this out when they returned home to their computer and I presume correct me if they could prove me wrong. I haven’t heard from them.

Off course they got it "wrong". If they had it right there would be no ME. The point is why did they, like many other bible readers, remember it as lion even though they are very familiar with bibles.


And what did I claim that I am supposedly wrong about?

a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

There is no point in further discussion as you are a believer who openly admits all evidence is meaningless.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

There is no point in further discussion as you are a believer who openly admits all evidence is meaningless.

There is no point in discussions over this...... period.

Again, you can't prove or disprove anything here. So any drama is caused by you guys fixated on your debunk, going error because it is undebunkable. I just explained this to you twice.

It is funny to see the reoccuring theme of not getting it. Invalid argument after invalid argument

a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

There is no point in further discussion as you are a believer who openly admits all evidence is meaningless.

A believer who openly admits? What is this, a witchhunt?

What "all evidence"?

You have got your "bad memory" and the other side has possibly millions people who remember the same things differently.

That's basically all the evidence there is and you can't prove that either one is true or false.

a reply to: Belcastro

i remember the first time i read revelation in the bible it said something about the lamb would receive the wealth of nations.

Sorry, no mandella effect. The passage is still there:

Revelation 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple. 23The city has no need for the sun, neither of the moon, to shine, for the very glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. 25Its gates will in no way be shut by day (for there will be no night there), 26and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it so that they may enter.

Here's some wonderful cross references:

Isaiah 49:23"Kings will be your guardians, And their princesses your nurses. They will bow down to you with their faces to the earth And lick the dust of your feet; And you will know that I am the LORD; Those who hopefully wait for Me will not be put to shame.

Isaiah 60:5Then you shall see and be radiant, and your heart shall thrill and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you, the wealth of the nations shall come to you.

6The multitude of camels shall cover you, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come; they shall bring gold and frankincense, and shall proclaim the praises of Yahweh.

a reply to: Necrose

Isaiah 11:6 is the biggest ME from the bible thus far.

~King James Version
"The WOLF also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."

Well, for me, there has always been a LION.

I distinctly remember quoting that verse 10 years ago. It was wolf then, and I quoted it because I remembered it being WOLF for as long back as I could remember.

a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

Well them what is it exactly since I have no clue?

The mandela effect comes from when someone swears that mamdela died in the 80's in a south african prison which is a lie since he died many years after.

That is why it is called what it is...so what am I missing there?

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
I don't think that's ME I know it as the lion shall lie down with the lamb, think that's pretty standard.

It's WOLF now...

that's the change.

I have a picture of it too.

sorry it's upside down, but check it out!

You know that doesn't make sense right?? Hebrews didn't have to protect lambs from lions. No lions were wondering around the Sainai Shepard protected there flocks from wolves. Sorry but the whole lion thing doesn't really make sense in context either.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

That is why it is called what it is...so what am I missing there?

You said this,

If it's in the bible then it wouldn"t be the Mandela Effect as it is named after someone in the 80's.

This shows that you obviously don't have a clue......

The theory is that in the past year or so reality has "changed" for some people, this includes some bible passages. The fact that the bible was written before Mandela existed has nothing to do with things and if you don't even get this you shouldn't be commenting on the ME. How daft can you be?

a reply to: dragonridr

You know that doesn't make sense right??

Your explanation you mean?

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.

Were there leopards chasing hebrew goats around the Sinai? Where lions chasing calves?

See how your logic makes no sense?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Confabulation#Mandela_effect
An internet meme related to confabulation is the Mandela Effect, a situation where a number of people have memories that are different from available evidence. The term was coined by paranormal enthusiast Fiona Broome, who says she and other people remember Nelson Mandela dying in 1980s, rather than in 2013.[61][62] She argues that common memories which appear mistaken could be explained by the existence of parallel universes that are able to interact with each other.[citation needed] A common thread of discussion regarding this "effect" is remembering the Berenstain Bears with a different spelling.

When people remember an event of the past differently from what is written in encyclopedias or newspapers.

In Orwell's book 1984, the protagonist worked in the government office that changed the newspapers and other records to reflect the "new reality". If you remembered things were different, you couldn't prove it.

In Ursula K. Le Guin's award winning story Lathe of Heaven the protagonist had "effective dreams" which retroactively changed reality. Only he remembered how it used to be and how it was different. No one else could tell that a change had occurred.

a reply to: pthena

Good post. Pearls for the swines though.