Man Jailed After He Says Cops Mistook Krispy Kreme Glaze For Meth

It appears that false positives are widespread, and 10% of all meth field test positives in Florida in one year contained absolutely no illicit chemicals...

There are no established error rates for the field tests, in part because their accuracy varies so widely depending on who is using them and how. Data from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement lab system show that 21 percent of evidence that the police listed as methamphetamine after identifying it was not methamphetamine, and half of those false positives were not any kind of illegal drug at all. In one notable Florida episode, Hillsborough County sheriff’s deputies produced 15 false positives for methamphetamine in the first seven months of 2014. When we examined the department’s records, they showed that officers, faced with somewhat ambiguous directions on the pouches, had simply misunderstood which colors indicated a positive result.

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Scientists have been cautioning about the reliability of field tests since 1974.

a reply to: Kandinsky
Agreed on that!

I detect a conspiracy. Does anyone believe two Orlando cops can't identify Krispy Creme glaze on sight?

What they didn't mentioned is that the cops ate the evidence..

I got pulled over and searched by a couple of cops.
They said they smelled marijuana.
While I was having my person searched an officer stuffed his hand into my swimming trunks.
I was not wearing underwear.
"I hope that is pubic hair." He said.
So I say "No, man...I'm growing weed in my shorts."
He promptly slammed my head into the corner of the car hood, giving me a nice goose egg.
Those guys protect and serve their asses off. Gotta love'em.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That a test showed inaccurate results is good reason for either better tests, or for no arrest unless and until a valid test s completed. However, that is not a reason to legalize all drugs. The stuff is illegal because it's bad for people, It destroys lives. No, not because it's criminal, but because of the effect the stuff has on people. I lost a sibling because of the crap, and NO WAY does making it legal change that, nor would it have changed what happened to him. there are countless stories just like that, of lives ruined, minds wasted, and more, because of the substances, not because of their illegality.

Man Jailed After He Says Cops Mistook Krispy Kreme Glaze For Meth

Rushing told the outlet that he agreed to a search of his car because he knew he had nothing to hide.

This was his major mistake.

Do not consent to being searched without probable cause. If an officer wants to search your vehicle, then that officer needs to provide a valid search warrant.

When asked "May I take a look inside your vehicle?", the proper response is a polite "No, thank you".

If the officer presses "Why?", then simply state that "There's nothing to find; so, it would be a waste of your time, and of mine".

Nothing further on the matter needs to be said.

If asked to exit the vehicle, then make sure your windows are up, and the doors are locked when you exit.

They may call-in for a K9 unit to come out and circle around the outside of the vehicle, but that shouldn't be an issue for any law abiding citizen.

20 years ago if you consented to baseless searches, officers would kindly let you off with a warning when they found nothing illicit. These days, the "revenue rangers" are just going to write you a ticket anyways; so there is absolutely no incentive to relinquish your Fourth Amendment rights.

a reply to: ezramullins

I'm against jailing people for possession. Is that so hard? Even if that small amount of donut glaze really WAS meth, do you HONESTLY think that is enough to jail someone for ANY length of time? If he was high and driving, that is one thing. Give him a sobreity test, but just having drugs in your car, especially of such a small quantity, and you go to jail is one of the biggest reasons why our policing in this country is so effed up right now.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I didn't say legalize drugs. I said to stop jailing people for possession. Which means decriminalization. Not legalization. Please learn the difference.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Krazysh0t
. The stuff is illegal because it's bad for people, It destroys lives.

So do Alchohol and Tobacco, they're just slower.

originally posted by: redmage
They will likely call-in for a K9 unit to come out and circle around the outside of the vehicle, but that shouldn't be an issue for any law abiding citizen.

This isn't necessarily true.
‘False positives’ suggest police exploit canines to justify searches
Drugs or No Drugs, K-9s Will Alert to Your Car Nearly Every Time

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This isn't necessarily true.
‘False positives’ suggest police exploit canines to justify searches
Drugs or No Drugs, K-9s Will Alert to Your Car Nearly Every Time

Very true, thus my use of the phrase "shouldn't be an issue for law abiding citizens."

The longer a dog has been in service, the more likely is is to pick up the bad habit of false alerts.

They're trained to get a reward (usually a toy, sometimes a treat) when they "hit" on a vehicle, and eventually learn to "hit" simply to get their reward regardless of the presence of anything illicit. This tends to occur more often with older dogs after precincts begin to neglect regular on-going training which helps to keep the dogs sharp.

I suppose the upside is that if a K9 hits a false positive on your vehicle, and you are mistreated, then you should have an even stronger case against the officer/precinct should you choose to pursue one.

Given the choice between relinquishing my rights for a 100% chance of a fruitless and baseless search (where I might be jailed for something as innocent as doughnut glaze), and the chance that my rights might be respected by a well trained K9... I'll take the latter every time.

a reply to: redmage

That's a good point, it's just a shame that things have to get to that point to begin with. It's so easy for the law to ruin your life even if you haven't done anything wrong.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ezramullins

I'm against jailing people for possession. Is that so hard? Even if that small amount of donut glaze really WAS meth, do you HONESTLY think that is enough to jail someone for ANY length of time? If he was high and driving, that is one thing. Give him a sobreity test, but just having drugs in your car, especially of such a small quantity, and you go to jail is one of the biggest reasons why our policing in this country is so effed up right now.

I understand that position, but I don't agree with it. The drug is illegal, and thus possession is a crime. I'd like to see all arrested involved with that. That is THE main substance involved in my losing a sibling, as in, he's dead. Had he been in jail for possession, he might have lived. As it is, a completely innocent person was involved in his death, and has to live with that. That's not right.

No, drug arrests are not the reason the system is messed up. Corruption is one reason, and false arrest, as is likely in this case, is another reason. the occasional bad cop is a reason. The flawed court system is a reason. Illegal drugs are not a reason! They should be illegal. Drug users cause harm to society as a whole, not just to themselves, and thus there is good reason for those drugs to be illegal.

Now, that said, I don't agree with the property seizure laws, that don't even require someone to be charged, because that's flat wrong. Once someone is charged and convicted, that's another story.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I didn't say legalize drugs. I said to stop jailing people for possession. Which means decriminalization. Not legalization. Please learn the difference.

If something is illegal, then there needs to be a punishment for it. Drug users tend to be broke, and cannot pay fines. So, if they can't pay a fine, and can't be jailed, what, then? Scold them, and say not to do it again, and send them on their way?

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Krazysh0t
. The stuff is illegal because it's bad for people, It destroys lives.

So do Alchohol and Tobacco, they're just slower.

Alcohol isn't a problem unless abused. Most illegal drugs are a problem if used at all. Tobacco.....I'd like to see cigarettes made illegal, as they are manufactured now. What reason is there for filling them with so many hazardous substances? They are vile poison. Lost both parents to smoking, and have breathing issues, thanks to their smoking, as well.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I wouldn't be surprised if the floor of my car tested positive for meth or other drugs, especially when I've been to our corporate office. Our office is in a not so nice section of town. The McDonald's across the parking lot had some employees busted a while back for selling meth in Happy Meals. There is no telling what I might pick up on my shoes just crossing the parking lot.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So whats the going rate for 10 days in prison when found to be wrongly convicted/imprisoned monetarily wise?

Tell you this depending on the facility and temperament of the Man in question he could be coming out with a bum hole that resembles a clowns pocket and no front teeth not to mention some seriously life threatening STDs.

Hope the poor fellow manages to sue the authorities and the officer responsible for such a travesty loses his job, but then again chance would be a fine thing indeed.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wow that is crazy.

No doubt the SYSTEM IS BROKE and why I get annoyed when all the attention is put on racism. The system is Fd up beyond simple racism and we won't be able to fix it, until we get passed throwing the racist card on every incident.

Krispy Kreme is a drug to some cops. So makes sense.