The war is Iraq is the way of the devil.

Men of Conscience, Men of reason, I implore you to take up the cause of justice and righteousness.

Here is what the American news won't touch, but it happens all too often. This is what the legacy of George W Bush is, and every man and woman that re-elected him.



news.bbc.co.uk...

Let every American see the brutality of war, let it wake them in their comfortable sleep, let it come to them while they eat their breakfast cereal and watch their TV news.

Arkaleus

[edit on 19-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

Okay, this is all very true.

But rather than talking about it what can be done?

How can we take action?

Yes, bad things do happen in war. That's why it's war. I believe that the end consequences will be good though. This story is unfortunate, but what are you trying to show me? The evils of the soldiers? This is what happens. They're in Iraq, many terrorists use car bombs. There was a checkpoint, and the soldiers signaled for them to stop. They even fired warning shots! What were they supposed to do, just let the car go? What if it had been a car bomb (Which would be EXTREMELY likely in this situation), many people would have died.

So sad that still people will claim that the so called war was taken into these people's land, Iraqis did not bring war to the US but the US brought war to their lands.

And now they should be happy and they should accept that the war that was taken to their lands is for their own good and that people always die on wars so they better get used to it.

The mentality tells the ignorance.

The parents shouldve stopped the car.

Its a terrible thing, but they knew to stop the car.

They choose not to, the American soldiers (with just cause, look at all the other car related soldier-deaths) took that as a sign of hostility and opened fire.

This isnt a little "conflict" people. This isnt some easily navigated thing; it is a WAR.

People die in war. Occasionally the innocent get pulled in with the guilty.

They were given ample warning.
They made a choice.
This is the result.

Even though that sounds cold hearted, doesnt mean I agree with the war. But there is nothing we can really do about it RIGHT NOW, since it is already being fought. Kinda like if one kid punches another kid on a playground.. They arent just going to stop fighting all the sudden, until someone wins.

[edit on 19-1-2005 by shidge.]

Originally posted by marg6043
So sad that still people will claim that the so called war was taken into these people's land, Iraqis did not bring war to the US but the US brought war to their lands.

And now they should be happy and they should accept that the war that was taken to their lands is for their own good and that people always die on wars so they better get used to it.

The mentality tells the ignorance.

Marge...don't know if you've heard, but they're holding elections in 11 days. By the way, some 90% of the country is participating in the elections.

Shidge - well said. It's true. Even if you don't support the war, this is just simple logic.

I have spoken a thing today, and it will stick to you like thick smoke.

Every person that does not take a thoughtful stand against this unjust and wicked war will be washed in the blood of innocent persons.

The good people of this forum already know the wickedness of this war, and of the troublesome attitude of those people who skirt around the edge of hell, mocking us for speaking out. Such are the food of demons, and because they are half-eaten already, they will think they have nothing to lose by continuing in their madness.

This war came about because "god" spoke to President Bush and this influenced his decision to unilaterally invade a pathetic dictatorship. What a speech that must have been, and what a bloodthirsty and shortsighted "god" Mr. Bush must pray to. It troubles me that Satan's grasp has grown so strong against the people of this earth.

In this game of cosmic jacks you all are playing, you are hoping each day of your life that the ball doesn't fall, and that you can scramble and get your fill. Eventually, the ball will drop, and what you have in your hand will be all you receive. Woe to you foolish ones who are busy playing and teasing and bothering others, because the ball is dropping again, and I can see quite well that your hands are completely empty - and I nor anyone else will share with you once that hour comes.

Each of us must stand as we can against it. I am American, so I speak, and vote, and write. The rest of you can also vote, at least in those countries where you elect leaders. Maybe you English won't be so blind in your support for the next war, you seemed to have suddenly developed a conscience. Your news reports things that our news suppresses. I never thought I would see the time when my country would become so degraded and insane.

Anyone who follows the way of my country will be visited by our plagues, and will find themselves cast into ruin, just like we will be once my corrupted and demonic generation inherits power.

As for you soulless husks that follow my posts around and fling your scat around and call it "language," I give to you the heel of my foot, and the striking of iron against bone. You mock the suffering of others, because you are a gore-thirsty animal, and I loathe your entire generation.

Arkaleus

[edit on 19-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

[edit on 19-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

(Clawfinger - Warfair)

Do you know how it feels to be down in the dirt
With a bullet in your breast and blood on your shirt?
Lying in a bloodpool,down a pit...
Covered with the corpse and the blood and the #!!!
How does it feel to have a gun at your head
When you know that you'd be much better off dead?
Looking right down through the barrel of a gun...
Don't try to tell me that you think it's fun!!!
Prayin' for your mercy,don't say you see the light
What difference does it make if the good lord's right?
At the end of the war,the survivors are none
Because a war is a loss...a war can't be won!!!
You're just another soldier and you're doing the dyin'
You're a symbol of a nation...so,boy,stop crying.
Hero of a war,such a man so brave
A medal's worth nothin' when you're lyin' in your grave!!!

Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame...marching into misery?you function as a whore!!!
Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame?
War...fair!!!...war...fair!!!...

5 o'clock in the morning and they shout out your name
But they don't...really care,'cos you all look the same.
Now this...is the army,and we train to kill
Our job is to give you that fighting...will!!!
So,get off your knees and stand straight like a man
Do I have to tell you twice to make you understand?
Freedom has a price,and that price is blood
So chase the mother#er right down in the mud!!!

Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame...marching into misery?you function as a whore!!!
Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame?
War...fair!!!...war...fair!!!...war...fair!!!...war...fair!!!...

Ignore all your feelings,just go alle the way
'Cause if you don't,then death...is the price you have to pay.
This ain't peace and love,no,man,this is war!
So don't...even ask what you're fightin' for!!!
Just search and destroy,never question a lie
You don't...wanna bite the bullet,boy,you don't wanna die.
Don't try to tell me that you couldn't kill a man
That's a load of #ing bull#,boy,I know you can!!!

Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame...marching into misery?you function as a whore!!!
Do you know the pain...marching into history,marching into war?
Can you feel the shame?
War...fair!!!...war...fair!!!...


[edit on 20-1-2005 by alienaddicted]

iraq and afghanistan has given them the keys to the middle east and the ability to dictate to 'rogue' states, and will also probably create another cold war as they fight for oil reserves against the communists.

i also wonder if they have the capability for wrath of god type weapons similar to the recent tsunami?.

Such hate, Arkaleus, I don't often hear you speak about.

But what, Arkaleus, of Saddam's mass graves? What of the rape rooms that would still be there if American hadn't come along and stopped him? What of women being stoned to death for being raped in Afghanistan if America hadn't come along and liberated them? What of the Iraqi soccer players getting their legs cut off for losing a game? I know your intention is not to say you wish these things were still going on, but so would be the case if America hadn't stepped in. What about the millions of men and women who died, and were tortured so that Saddam could have another palace? Don't you care about that? Men, women, and children being dragged off in the middle of the night to be shot and then dumped into mass graves? It had to be stopped, don't you agree?

Casualties are a part of war, unfortunately. I wish nobody would die. But would have happened to most of the iraqis had American not stepped in is FAR worse than what's happening now.

[edit on 20-1-2005 by Herman]

Herman,
I cannot say that Saddam was not an evil Tyrrant who deserved the fate of a thousand deaths and lives in hell, but really Were we their to help the people?

Where was america when the wall fell in germany and years later, engineers were working in missiles silo's for free , to attempt to keep Nuclear arms from beings sold for food or money for the poor of the Ex-soviet Union? WHy did we not have Our own Troops to Safe guarding these arms , or at the very least , Properly Dismantling of these True weapons of mass destrustion? WHy do we now fight in Iraq? Why did we Abandon the quest for Bin Laden? Why do we have friends that serve the army in the late 90s and early 2000, who served in mid East , afraid of bombings, yet their was no war on Terrorism? The people of Iraq Deserve Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines! but not on a list where that cause is only secondary to pumping out oil!?!?!?!?\

Just because Mr. Bush is un-caring leader to our american masses, does not mean that Republicans are an evil party , he is a Fowl-seed. WHy did He never personally make a statement about Sudan(maybe he did , but i dont recall) where male blacks were killed off totally in small villlages, and all the women were raped , to insure the extinction of the none-pure black race, for the good of the muslim masses in that country, or more accurately , the misguided bandit that did it in the name of god?

Since when does it become the duty of America to police the activities of other nations?

This is something entirely new to our culture. Is it a more enlightened course to follow?

I do not know its virtue, unless we be the ruler of all lands, to judge all lands. And I know that we are not the ruler of all lands. Therefore, to judge all lands and to think ourselves liable to their atrocities is folly.

In cases of extreme need and threat to civilization and Liberty, action is justified. The acts of tyranny should be wisely and carefully abbrogated. It is the business of foreign agents and intelligence to do these things, just like it was the acts of former presidents and foreign policies that established these tyrannies and atrocities to begin with. We have built our own ruin by the folly of our actions.

After WWII, the west starting to think itself the master of the world, and they have proven to be nothing of the srot, but combination of greedy and shortsighted men, who got gobbled up by the darker forces of this earth in the attempt.

Arkaleus