Michael Jordan: ‘I can no longer stay silent’

right about now im thinking Jordan for President.

Maybe im just being romantic after seeing some common sense

a reply to: Willtell

If this country tries to heal in separation it won’t be real healing.

This statement is quite eloquent and brilliant as well -- thank you!

a reply to: BlackProject

All well and good saying that he cannot keep silent but it is just nonsense yet again

Oh dear... another one who doesn't read the OP nor the source articles...

So you're not impressed. Got it. Good thing it doesn't matter. MJ said what he said and did what he did regardless.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
right about now im thinking Jordan for President.

Maybe im just being romantic after seeing some common sense

You and me both... and interrupt42 makes three!

a reply to: Boadicea

The only problem is that there are many reasons why there are officers who shoot people, including black people. These days a lot of people simply disrespect police officers, and don't follow their directions.

The cases in which police officers shot someone who "apparently" for those observing believe wasn't necessary, isn't always so. In many such cases we only see one angle, or hear one point of view.

Are there cases in which some racist police officers have used excessive force? Yes, there are some, but these cases are not endemic like some want to claim.

Recently I saw a video of a couple of black republicans, young men, who were discussing politics with a few democrats/liberals about Donald Trump. in that video they also spoke about police shootings involving black people. The ironic part is that a white woman, who was one of the liberals/democrats trying to make their point, was apparently claiming she knew better than the two young republicans. (another republican even pointed this out)

One of them told the liberal, that one of the many problems of why police brutality has happened against black people is because of perception. The music that most young black people listen to is rap, and most of this music incite the youth to disrespect police officers and even to kill them. This fact, plus the fact that there is a lot of black on black violence in certain areas of the U.S., makes a lot of moderate police officers weary because they don't know what that young person they are trying to detain, or ask questions to might have in mind.

The black republicans also pointed out to the white, liberal woman, that we live in a nation that has more white people than blacks, or hispanics, or any other race. Hence it is only logical that there are more white men/women who get shot by the police than black people, or hispanic people, etc. They also pointed out that there is more black on black violence, which the left loves to ignore, than police officers that shoot black people.

The two republicans made a lot of good points. I won't link that video here because they also talk about politics, but wanted to point out what these men said which is true.

Michael Jordan has "some" good points. But imo, it won't be easy to stop these shootings unless young people, of all races, are taught to respect police officers, and if they are told to raise their hands and don't move, they have to do so. White people also get shot for not following the directions of police officers.

BTW, I also wonder what sort of solutions Michael Jordan has in mind are necessary.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Michael Jordan has "some" good points.

Everything he said was a good point.

But imo, it won't be easy to stop these shootings unless young people, of all races, are taught to respect police officers...

Bad kids do not make bad cops. Bad kids are not responsible for bad cops. No one can force anyone to shoot them, especially a trained law enforcement officer. We know there are bad kids out there, that's why we have cops... we also know that there are bad cops out there. Michael Jordan addresses both.

...and if they are told to raise their hands and don't move, they have to do so.

No. But this is not the thread to discuss policing procedures or organic law vs color of law.

White people also get shot for not following the directions of police officers.

Of course they do. White people and people of all colors also get shot by bad cops. There's plenty of blame to go around. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions.

BTW, I also wonder what sort of solutions Michael Jordan has in mind are necessary.

Apparently MJ thought that was best left to professionals and contributed what he had to offer: $2 million to help those in a position to know and take action. And God bless him for it.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: Boadicea

The people that hate him the most are the families of the victims who were beaten and/or killed in pursuit of his shoes, also because he was such an inspiration to many of them in their childhood as well. At least he is returning some of that blood money , I suppose that deserves a mild, barely sincere clap of the hands.

Curios, do you feel the same way about Colt or Hk(firearm manufacturers) ?

Good on MJ, he's nailed it spot on.

you know honestly what i wish? i wish all of these celebrities that claim they want to make a difference would stop sending cash to these organizations that are not doing SHT. celebrities claim to care so much but why cant they take all of that money and create new communities like full on communities. invest in something great with new schools making sure to move people in of all walks of life. focusing on educating people having community events etc.

i feel like what we are doing is trying to go in a solve issues in already broken segregated communities

we need to integrate people together in a drastic way. do a social experiment of some sort

basically bulldoze old communities and mix everyone together and EDUCATE and promote peace and prosperity. a new model

it would take someone with enough income that can contribute various celebrities people that are looked up. someone that can go up against corporate america who has zero interest in helping the population thrive. rise up and prosper not give into the bullsht

for an example of what i mean i am taking about a model similar to a self sustaining eco community but this would focus on more then that aspect it would be more of an effort to combat our issue of racial tension and division.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Willtell

If this country tries to heal in separation it won’t be real healing.

This statement is quite eloquent and brilliant as well -- thank you!

Thanks for the kind words

Thank Jordon for he inspired me.

That just goes to show us how wisdom and good words grows like branches on a tree

here is a video of damahur disclaimer (this is a model a spiritual eco community that not everyone will see eye to eye with) however i see this model working in a more neutral way for integrating americans into a new way of life and helping them to get past racial tension among other types of division we face!

www.youtube.com...

america has all this money someone step forward and make this happen!!

stop trying to fix the old build something new!

a reply to: Boadicea

Worthy of the praise "I would vote for him to run the country"?

He was basically saying all lives matter. Noble speech sure, Does'nt mean he should be voted for president. That is the problem with people. They see something like this and think he is a great guy instead of getting the full picture of his life and knowing thats not always the case.

For example -

As a leader Jordan proved more tormentor than mentor. Many Washington players got the business end of a Jordan harangue, but he designated second-year forward Kwame Brown as the whipping boy, referring to him, as reported by The Washington Post, as a "flaming faggot." A source told SI that Jordan ritually reduced Brown to tears in front of the team. Brown, whom Jordan took with the first pick in the 2001 draft, showed flashes of brilliance, but his confidence was lacerated by a player who was once his idol. "Michael was tough," Wizards assistant John Bach tells SI. "But that's just who he is, attempting to make [his teammates] better."

The day before game 4 of the Bulls Suns finals with the Bulls leading the series 2-1. Michael and Charles Barkley went golfing. They played 48 holes of golf. And Michael bought Charles a $20,000 diamond earring. Johnny asked MJ, “what did you do all that for?” Michael responded, “he won’t get in my way the rest of the series, what’s $20,000 to me? Charles thinks we’re great friends. I hate that fat #.” Jordan dropped 55 in game 4 and Barkley never touched him once.

When Johnny was coaching with the Hornets in 1995 they had a good team. Glen Rice, Mourning, Johnson. Series was tied at 2 and Hornets had a chance to win game 5 in Chicago. On the biggest possession of the game, Mugsy had the ball with the Hornets down 1. Jordan backed off of him and told him: “shoot it you f—ing midget.” Mugsy shot it, didn’t come close. A year later Mugsy actually told Johnny Bach that he believes that single play ruined his career. His shot never recovered.

He may not be an evil person, But he is a complete dick more often than not. It is easy to make a speech and put the money where your mouth is if your rich. The hard part is practising what you preach.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
right about now im thinking Jordan for President.

Maybe im just being romantic after seeing some common sense

Jordan for president would 10000x better than Trump or Hillary. The U.S. really needs someone who can have a middle ground and be strong right now.

Not just the left vs right endless paradigm political BS.

I'm not sure how giving money to special interests is supposed to solve the problem.

Can someone explain that to me, please?

Or is that just the panacea for social problems these days?

Throw money at it and wash your hands of it when (surprise) nothing changes.

But Michael Jordan sure does come out looking cool, doesn't he?

a reply to: Boadicea

I no longer have respect for Michael Jordan I can't stay silent anymore. What a disgrace.

Like I give a damn what rich people have to say? LOOL. Atleast LBJ donated his money to help people you ******* douschebag.

To be honest I think one of the big problems to be addressed is the injustice seen when policing goes wrong. I understand it is a tough job, there are many other tough jobs too and if you mess up you are punished. Cops seem to get a paid holiday and a pat on the back. The public are never going to be happy with this! Things will never change until that changes.

You have cops that will lie to defend other cops, well I mean, it's their work mates, more than that though, they are like a family/gang. Of course they are going to "bend the truth" and become very forgetful when their brother/sister is in trouble. But it creates a huge problem for society! Because now there are people above the law and that's just not going to fly for long!

Police need to start looking at the bigger picture and see that they are bringing all this hate down on themselves and to be honest I think if they took a real objective view they would admit it's not a fair or just system.

EDIT: If anything cops should be held to the highest standards possible and should face the harshest of punishments when they abuse or misuse their position. I guarantee if this happened people wouldn't be rioting in the streets and a lot less people would be getting killed or abused by cops! Cops are just people, why are they seen to be angels and have no possibility of being bad!

I think my point is that although Michaels gesture is nice it will ultimately do nothing because it doesn't address this huge problem above!

I mean it's only fair! If we do wrong we have our lives royaly f$%*ed, so should they in orders of magnitude!

Whilst I support and applaud Mr Jordan's views and actions he forgets there's an uneven mountain to level, black crime dwarfs most crime in the USA and a majority of those doing it either use BLM as an excuse or are being used BY BLM to do more crime but at the police and against whites. And lets not forget the crime is also a large source of income to these people as it can be to all criminals, they won't be wanting to leave the easy cash alone so its a HUGE mountain.

People like Mr Jordan have shown just what a black person in the states can achieve if they follow the opportunities or work damn hard to create them without going down the all too lazy route of crime, he's a real hero and SHOULD be a role model to black people but sadly and more important culturally, gangster rappers, criminals and the like are often the heroes of the folk and that is a bloody hard target to overcome when people respect music that says 'kill the police', 'treat b*tches bad', 'take drugs' and the like. When criminality and violence are the 'go to' things for the youth then its going to take more than just a few people spouting words and making false promises, BLM simply MUST be taken out of the equation, they are an agitator in an already complex and violent issue.

Views expressed via violence and hatred can never be taken to the table as bargaining chips, unless people are made 100% clear that severe crime will garner no profit in getting deals and only contributing to society in a moral way will help towards sorting the overall problem of race , Police harassment when it happens and any cultural differences.

Very nice of him, but I'm of the belief when one donates, one does so anonymously. I think that's a classier approach, but ok his celebrity might bring an audience to the problems.

Good luck with that, the racial devides seem to be coming back around, I say back because I really thought we were over all of this. Talking about it is good , but lately it seems talking too much about it, is only making things worse. Repeating the same narrative of Black vs white over and over, causes it to manifest.

There's more to all this then meets the eye, a hidden agenda.

originally posted by: violet


There's more to all this then meets the eye, a hidden agenda.

I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly, the push for gun control has gone from hidden to IN YOUR FACE, the wish for person control is out there and the stripping of civil liberties seem to be high on the agenda with a shed load of other stuff being pushed in the shadows.

Sadly there's also the very large elephant in the room regarding black crime and the many political agenda's running around looking for ways to use it for their own measures, its all a nasty powder keg with numerous people from all sides looking to ignite it for gains while ordinary people just want life to gain some level of sanity again.

a reply to: Boadicea

Very cool, thank you Mr. Jordan

I gave up at worlds greatest country!