I think I'm not going to vote this time around....

Nope

So far, Just can't come to vote for either this time around.

Am I alone in that neither have really put forth something to swing you fellow fence sitters?

I'm just not impressed with either, nor do they instill confidence. I honestly don't see anything positive from either side if elected. Trump is a big mouth hot headed blow heart.

Clinton? I could really drag her deservedly through the mud on what she's done and failed to do but whats the point.


I thought previous elections were bad with all the mud slinging but this time around it's just down and dirty ugly. I seriously thought that by this time either side would present something that I'd be able to really sink my teeth into but as of yet?

Nada.

I reserve the right to shamelessly slam both sides.

a reply to: SLAYER69

I mentioned this before but I have no love for Trump.

As I see it, Voting for Trump is like playing Russian Roulette with one round in the cylinder.

Voting for Clinton is playing Russian Roulette with all cylinders loaded!

That pretty much sums it up.

Her stacking the Supreme Court alone would ensure the loss of the 1st and 2nd amendments.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Not even third party?

True, a third party vote is essentially meaningless, but it is an option.

Otherwise, I agree about the choices. It's warm # or cold #. Either way, we get #.

You don't see a problem with Globalism over Nationalism? You like bad trade deals? You like unvetted immigrants flowing into the country? You like interventionism in the ME? You like a failed veterans support system? Because that is the status quo, voting for the status quo or sitting out is the same thing, it doesn't help change it.

Sorry bud, but you don't have to like the person to go with policy change.

Oh, and kiss your 2nd amendment goodbye, the SCOTUS appointments alone should get everyone to vote one way or the other, it is huge and will effect many generations.

I don't think you'll be the only one that's not going to vote for any of them.

a reply to: SLAYER69

1) Why did I get the impression you were from GB?

2) I have never voted before. I have always had voter apathy. I always felt it was a rigged system to provide a false sense of empowerment for the masses.

3) This is the only election I have ever felt like I wanted to go vote and make it count.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
Nope

So far, Just can't come to vote for either this time around.

Am I alone in that neither have really put forth something to swing you fellow fence sitters?

I'm just not impressed with either, nor do they instill confidence. I honestly don't see anything positive from either side if elected. Trump is a big mouth hot headed blow heart.

Clinton? I could really drag her deservedly through the mud on what she's done and failed to do but whats the point.


I thought previous elections were bad with all the mud slinging but this time around it's just down and dirty ugly. I seriously thought that by this time either side would present something that I'd be able to really sink my teeth into but as of yet?

Nada.

I reserve the right to shamelessly slam both sides.

I totally get what you are saying. I can't vote for Trump.

Hillary, she's too much of a neo-con on foreign policy and Wall Street shill. Trump IS Wall Street.

I don't know what to do. I'm losing faith in our political system. It's so corrupt.

I'd like to see substance.

This is far from my first Rodeo as far as elections go. I've heard all the rhetoric from both sides before.

Trumps Wall wont be built and if it does get built, Mexico wont pay for it. Subsequently, they'll probably end up going with the cheapest bidder who'll probably hire illegals to meet their bid.

Hillary is just a bundle of lies.

Not impressed with either...

a reply to: SLAYER69
I won't be voting either for this very simple reason:

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
You don't see a problem with Globalism over Nationalism? You like bad trade deals? You like unvetted immigrants flowing into the country? You like interventionism in the ME? You like a failed veterans support system? Because that is the status quo, voting for the status quo or sitting out is the same thing, it doesn't help change it.

Sorry bud, but you don't have to like the person to go with policy change.

Oh, and kiss your 2nd amendment goodbye, the SCOTUS appointments alone should get everyone to vote one way or the other, it is huge and will effect many generations.

Trump is not going to be a person for the people. And there hasn't been a Republican presidency in decades that didn't gleefully engage in war or interventionist foreign policy abroad.

Also, I seem to recall you being an apologist for Bush Jr.'s ME forays...

a reply to: Skid Mark

I'd try onion and banana





What?

a reply to: SLAYER69

Vote 3rd party. Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Snoopy. Take your pick.

For those who don't vote and don't run for office you have no right to complain. You have stayed in your mom's basement or your room with the little pink bunnies and ponies for too long. I have listened to this tripe for too many years and it never changes. You ain't special. You think anybody cares if you don't vote? Not really. Just don't ask us to support you and buy your Hot Pockets.

I'm right there with you. My policy in life is to never enable sociopaths, especially when it is too the detriment of innocents. So that leaves me with very few options when choosing a presidential candidate.

However, I am halfheartedly rooting for Trump only because I think his presidency would essentially be like blowing it all up and starting from scratch in 2020. As we've seen with the DNC Wikileaks, Hillary is deeply embedded in the rotten to the core establishment that has been sending this country to ruination.

As for Trump, the very same party that just nominated him doesn't even want him. No one is going to work with him on anything and he'll essentially be a lame duck on day 1 and his damage will be limited to him making verbal gaffes - to which there will be many. But even that I think will indirectly have a position influence in future elections. Trump's presidency will be such an idle mockery that I believe that it will finally begin to wake people up the dangers of these power, hungry sociopaths that are only in this for themselves. I'd be shocked that Trump, if elected, would get a 2nd term. He would likely even be opposed within his own party.

I see Trump and Hillary as 2 sides of the same dangerous iceberg. Trump is all on the surface. You know it's dangerous, but you can keep an eye on it and keep it at a safe distance- but who knows how deep the danger Hillary represents goes. It will likely sink us all.

I, too, have a problem of voting FOR either one.

I guess I am at a point of voting AGAINST one of them.

My problem continues to be that they are just puppets. They spew out words but they are someone else's words. I don't think we the people decide anymore; votes are a joke. TPTB are just taking us for a ride.

Are we voting personalities? Does it really matter who wins? Clinton scares me the most-I know the most about her and she's pure, pure evil.

Trump is a cowboy shooting in every direction without finesse or true direction of the realities.

We do know that the fix is in-we've had this knowledge of voting since JFK so why keep playing the game??

I agree with the op-does voting even matter-we arn't choosing the next leader-the leaders are already in place. They are just placating the civilians. Are we the next Turkey?

a reply to: atrollstalker

I've heard that one a few times before as well.

Not impressed this time around with that reasoning as well.

Nope. No confidence in either.

I think I may not vote this time simply because unlike previous elections, neither side have presented anything worth while. I'm not going to vote simply to exercise my right when I don't believe in either side.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Don't let the naysayers convince you that your thought process is in the wrong.

You have every right to walk away from this particular Jerry Springer show.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
You don't see a problem with Globalism over Nationalism? You like bad trade deals? You like unvetted immigrants flowing into the country? You like interventionism in the ME? You like a failed veterans support system? Because that is the status quo, voting for the status quo or sitting out is the same thing, it doesn't help change it.

Sorry bud, but you don't have to like the person to go with policy change.

Oh, and kiss your 2nd amendment goodbye, the SCOTUS appointments alone should get everyone to vote one way or the other, it is huge and will effect many generations.

Trump is not going to be a person for the people. And there hasn't been a Republican presidency in decades that didn't gleefully engage in war or interventionist foreign policy abroad.

Also, I seem to recall you being an apologist for Bush Jr.'s ME forays...

His policies as stated are more for the people than a Globalist policy that cedes national sovereignty. His ME policy as stated is to go in, wipe out ISIS, leave with no nation building. Quite simple, ally with Russia, leave Syria alone, wipe out ISIS so they possess no lands and no physical assets. Something Clinton is totally incapable of as she wants to play adversary to Russia and promote Globalist policy which embraces Arab Springs, coups, civil wars, then ships the created immigrants across the globe to spread terrorism.

Anyway if you have no stomach or will to ponder those realities, the SCOTUS appointments makes a non vote approach illogical, unethical, and negligent. Everyone that don't like either candidate should look at that subject alone and be compelled to vote, it is the one thing that will without any doubt effect your grandchildren or the grandchildren of someone you care for if you are celibate.