Montana Navy Veteran Joe Robinson Imprisoned for Building Fire Fighting Ponds

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: intrptr

Um he shared the stage after he got in trouble...
Might want to check your timeline of events.

Point is guilt is predetermined by association with other dissidents against government policy on private and public land.

Breaking up any movement is about convicting members on trumped up charges to weaken it. Or burn them out, or shoot them.

Another lady today got sentenced to jail time for wearing a BLM (Black lives Matter) pin in court. Another example of how the state disrupts members lives of any opposition that might form.

a reply to: intrptr

Protects their land, by digging dams into a river that ran through someone else's property and a national park?

Protects their land by blocking public roads?

Protects their land by building barns and fences on national parks?

a reply to: Chadwickus

Protects their land, by digging dams into a river that ran through someone else's property and a national park?

I understand these are cachets to fight fires, that protects everyone there.

The gubment is just using that to jail a man that is resisting the gubment land grabs to give to the corporations.

I already said that and showed the BLM burring peoples buildings, animal feed and their animals.

But thats okay. check check...

intrptr out

a reply to: intrptr

Your point is misguided tho, he was already in trouble when he went to that event so that association had nothing to do with anything...

a reply to: Sremmos80

Anyone who resists the government is 'in trouble'. Patriots don't care ether.

a reply to: intrptr

No one said that is ok, just that it doesn't somehow change what this guy did.

He doesn't have the right to do what he did, it wasn't his land. Even if you go the "it's everyone's land" route then what makes him the decider for the rest of us?

a reply to: intrptr

Or you are in trouble when you break the rules...

a reply to: intrptr

Yeah, that's why, when they could have locked him up for 10 years, they went with 18 months instead.

Oh and that's after avoiding jail for his earlier infractions.

Huge 'gubment' overreach there, really making an example out of him.

a reply to: Sremmos80

These people are all misguided, the land is "everyone's to use", yet this old coot put up signs saying "Private Property" and "No Trespassing" across a public road.

Curious... was the first trial a hung jury or not guilty?

I wonder because if it was not guilty wouldn't double jeopardy prevent a second trial?

Honestly don't know, just asking while I try to put off finishing my paper.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Curious... was the first trial a hung jury or not guilty?

In 2007, Robertson was cited by the Forest Service for destroying government property, livestock grazing without a permit and four other charges related to illegal activities on federally owned land. He refused to show up for his trial, but was found guilty in absentia of two counts of damaging federal property and allowing livestock on Forest Service land. He was fined $2,625, the Billings Gazette reported in 2007.

In 2012, Robertson was again charged and convicted of misdemeanors related to violating Forest Service regulations. He avoided jail, was placed on probation and ordered to remove various structures, including a barn, fence and culvert that he had illegally constructed on federally owned land.

When a Forest Service special agent went to the property to see if Robertson was complying with the court’s order, the officer discovered he had illegally constructed ponds on the land.

His first trial on those felony charges last fall resulted in a hung jury,

originally posted by: thorfourwinds
a reply to: Sremmos80
As Americans, WE all 'own' the land.

Either you missed the Memo that the USA is a capitalist country of you fail to understand what capitalism is.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: thorfourwinds

Do you have a different view on when you are told not to do something on land that isn't yours?

He may not have been wrong that they were needed, but that doesn't give him the ability to just go and do regardless of what anyone says.

But Prison is way overboard for a minor transgression.

a reply to: crazyewok

But Prison is way overboard for a minor transgression.

And yet when you break the law and are convicted of doing so that is what your consequence could be...best way to stay out of prison, don't break the law.

And taking land that doesn't belong to you and trying to block public roads may not be in the same category as violent crimes it is still a crime that could get you prison.

a reply to: intrptr

Anyone who resists the government is 'in trouble'.

No it's when you violate the laws that get you in trouble...and that is what he did which is why he is in trouble.

a reply to: hellobruce

Thank you, seems fairly cut and dried then..



back to the writing a paper on watergate... I am about at the point I will drink whiskey to try and get through it.

a reply to: intrptr

The gubment is just using that to jail a man that is resisting the gubment land grabs to give to the corporations.

And you can provide evidence that is why the government did this, or is this just another one of your ill informed comments that has no actual evidence to back the claim.

What's even funnier is that if the government let pollutants out into the river you would be up at arms about it, but because this man did it and was arrested for it you think the government is out to get him...why is that?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: crazyewok

But Prison is way overboard for a minor transgression.

And yet when you break the law and are convicted of doing so that is what your consequence could be...best way to stay out of prison, don't break the law.

And taking land that doesn't belong to you and trying to block public roads may not be in the same category as violent crimes it is still a crime that could get you prison.

"Taking land that doesn't belong to you?" I'll remind you next time we disagree about US military occupation of foreign lands.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: intrptr

Anyone who resists the government is 'in trouble'.

No it's when you violate the laws that get you in trouble...and that is what he did which is why he is in trouble.

Again, huh? Your so big on violatin' tha Law'.

Two faced.

a reply to: crazyewok

At face value I agree, but then you look at his past and see he is already in trouble for this and has gotten off light twice. I am all for sentences outside or prison, but when you are already in troube for something and you do it over and over, it is a different story.