Why American's "gun culture" makes us different when it comes to "gun control"

a reply to: Mianeye

www.cdc.gov...

Motor vehicle injuries are a leading cause of death among children in the United States

Better start banning cars, before you keep worrying about guns.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: boncho

You should probably check again then.

Sorry, can you direct me to the "armed hero" that defended himself from corrupt cops? All the articles Ive seen have lab led anyone who draws a gun on the cops as a terrorist or criminal, even if it was a no knock warrant on the wrong house, or whatever the circumstances.

Point me in the direction of applauded armed resistance. Thanks.

originally posted by: boncho
All the articles Ive seen have labeled anyone ...

Who is writing your articles? Hmmm?

Point me in the direction of applauded armed resistance.

How about the Bundy Ranch ... for starters. How about Ruby Ridge? There's another that's been on-going for years down in Texas, but we don't know much about it because 'they' don't propagate the story. There's lots of people clapping ... but, obviously, not the people you respect.

Bottom Line: It happens. And when it does ... That's America!!

a reply to: SrWingCommander

That sums it up perfectly. I think I will have to borrow this as well. Who posted this and where?

Perfection!

I copied it then later shut down the PC and cleared cache due to an issue. I later came across the copy, but don't have the citation. It was a comment on a gun control thread off a news paper. But don't remember the site.


Incidentally I think there is 2 or 3 separate gun cultures. The first one (or two they often cross) is the hunters/sportsmen. The 2nd is the patriots/preppers. I don't think anyone has done a study on this but I would say other than accidents/negligence there are not as many problems with these types. The other big group would be the "rap/street/thug/gangsta life. Huge problems in that culture. No respect for life, property, or people. A reply to: Winstonian

a reply to: SrWingCommander

'Gun Control' at its core is about 'guns' all inclusive. Failing to call them rightly what they are; Firearms as a class, and specifically, long arms or shoulder arms (rifles and shotguns) and side arms (pistols and revolvers).

The ones that want to rest control away from the people don't need you to understand any class, purpose or need, perceived or otherwise.

They just label everything 'guns' and their efforts 'control'. Disingenuous because really they want to make themselves safer, not us. Gun control is really people control. They don't care if someone intends to harm you because you can't defend yourself or yours because you don't have access to a firearm.

The 'gun culture' is ridiculing what other wise is a personal choice about a heritage of firearms. Like calling chefs a 'knife culture' because they have, use or collect a variety of sharp objects.

originally posted by: awareness10

Here's a classic:
In Detroit, I hear guns are heavily regulated. They have the high score for gun violence out there. I hear that more people die over the weekend in Chiraq than months of American casualties in Iraq. So I hear.

Down here in Texas, we have burglaries and home invasions like anywhere else. Despite that, criminals know that such activities are akin to russian roulette; there may be a loaded muzzle waiting for them behind door number one. Up north in Detroit, the only way to play roulette is to break into a traphouse. You can go in and out of anywhere else with impunity, as a gangsta. Think about that.

originally posted by: Thomas Paine
“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defence. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; . . . the weak will become prey.”

originally posted by: awareness10

People kill people not guns. Guns are just way too easy to kill with. I dont think your anual dead toll would be as high if it was a lot harder to buy guns, and police was actively confiscating them, and your first option was a knife.

Then again with a corrupt government like yours i do understand you like to be able to do something. But since its already so corrupt and the vast majority still asleep i think that point goes out of the window. I mean this is as bad as it gets.....

originally posted by: boncho
Sorry, can you direct me to the "armed hero" that defended himself from corrupt cops? All the articles Ive seen have lab led anyone who draws a gun on the cops as a terrorist or criminal, even if it was a no knock warrant on the wrong house, or whatever the circumstances.
Point me in the direction of applauded armed resistance. Thanks.

THISTHISTHISTHIS!!!!!

Your second amendment right to bear arms exists primarily to enable the people to rise up against an imperialist, tyrannical government. Not for hunting, not for showing off to your friends, and not even for the purposes of collecting. The founding fathers saw the struggle against the British and decided that never again will Americans be subject to a government like that one, so decided it would be appropriate for the civilian populace to be armed and ready to stop that government.

Now, we've reached a point where US police can gun down American citizens without recourse or justification. They can beat the crap out of perps, being unnecessarily cruel and utilising unusual forms of punishment (8th Amendment, anyone?), and generally have started riding roughshod over your people. And US citizens see this happen. They've seen the phone footage, the bodycam footage, the security tapes and heard the statements... have they risen up? Have they armed themselves and demanded the police check themselves before they run afoul of their true bosses, the people?
No. They grab for their phones, film it, and shake their heads as they watch an officer of the law slam another pregnant woman's face to the kerb or shoot another pre-teen black boy because they felt threatened by him.

Defend your rights to guns, by all means. But use them as they were intended to be used. Your government is corrupt. Your police are corrupt. Your businesses are corrupt. Your entire political-economical infrastructure is corrupt. Just like ours in the UK, and in other parts of the world.
But you are unique in that the papers which created your country DEMAND you rise up and throw down the corrupt tyrants. America always looks to be an example to the rest of the world... so be one.
Cast out the people who have enslaved you, and show the world how it's done.

a reply to: Snarl

How about the Bundy Ranch ... for starters

...but we don't know much about it because 'they' don't propagate the story. There's lots of people clapping ... but, obviously, not the people you respect.

That's the point

Federal and state officials were restricting access to the Oregon refuge being occupied by an armed group after one of the occupiers was killed during a traffic stop and eight more, including the group's leader Ammon Bundy, were arrested.

The group, which has included people from as far away as Arizona and Michigan, seized the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge on Jan. 2. They want federal lands turned over to local authorities.

The confrontation came amid increasing calls for law enforcement to take action against Bundy for the illegal occupation of the wildlife refuge.

www.chicagotribune.com...

Bottom Line: It happens. And when it does ... That's America!!

You could also say... Slavery, that's America! You see where this is going? The last resistance wasn't fighting off the English, it was the Confederates fighting as traitor/rebels (Officially).

Is that what makes America great? Im not saying the principles aren't noble, or that as an ideal its wrong or anything like that. It has nothing to do with who I respect or don't respect. You will see me telling America to get its head out of its ass because while people have held onto their guns (which are last resort) they've had their personal rights removed (4th amendment-TSA-Stop/Search-DrugWar), their liberty taken away (Subprime Crisis-Billions stolen, none in jail) and a dozen other examples of lost rights and freedoms.

But in other countries they have other means of negotiating. And seem to get more out of their governments. It's nothing about the principles, it has nothing to do with who I respect or don't. Im a realist. They've sat around threatening to take guns away while removing the rest of your rights and the self worth of the individual. By the time there's an armed resistance the majority will just sit by while the "rebel/traitors" get bombed into infinity with drones.

I'm guessing there might've been a way to keep some of everything, and that probably would've been the best road taken. But it wouldn't happen under the two party system. That's the country's biggest problem. It's how everyone's remained divided since the last armed conflict.

Maybe something like this would work.

originally posted by: joemoe
The OP is correct guns empowers the people, if the Second Amendment existed in China .... Tiananmen Square Massacre might of ended with the fall of the Communist Party.

Please tell me you honestly aren't deluded enough to believe that having a handgun or even a rifle would be any good against a freaking TANK!? Come on give your head a shake 'cause that's just being silly.

a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

They are good for everything. Superior firepower only takes you so far. Ask the Mujahideen and the Soviets. Bin Laden and his CIA boys DID NOT have bigger guns than the Russians. Neither did the Viet Cong vs US. This lesson is repeated through history.

I see people (I am assuming lefties or non-american's make this stupid statement all the time. Just about every insurgency (successful or not) has had the insurgents, armed only with small arms (rifles and such) fighting against a mechanized army. Viet Cong vs American military, Afghans' vs Soviet. Tito vs the Germans, Al-Quedi/ISIS vs NATO. British vs the colonists, etc. etc. Obviously these statements are made by people that haven't studied armed conflict, insurgency, etc. Insrugencies are usually long and drawn out affairs and the insurgents usually are quite crafty.

You surely don't think in that event (which I hope never comes) you would go directly against a tank do you??? No you wait till the crew is out, fixing a road wheel or heating up rations...relaxed, not expecting trouble....................................reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Mr Headshot

It's because the founding fathers liked to hunt, nothing more. Crazy righty

The Founders probably thought The British might come back to reclaim The Colonies, and wanted the population armed and ready if they did.

I don't think The Founders had it in mind that U.S. ciitizens would use firearms to actually kill each other.
They must be turning in their graves.

UMM no you wrong.

Just look at the oath of office for any fedral employee. It states that you agree to protect the Constitution from all enemies including DOMESTIC. Remember not all Americans wanted the US to be formed.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Again someone doesn't get it.

The criminals have very little to do with it. We just keep pointing out the fact that all these laws DON"T stop the criminals from getting weapons, it only stops LAWFUL citizens from getting them. Which is a direct infringement of the highest law in the land.

And as pointed out here already the US is based on the PEOPLE having the power NOT the government. Which is why the Founding Fathers put that amendment in. They WANTED the government to be checked by a armed people. They wanted the people to be able to overthrow a UNLAWFUL government and return the power to a lawful one.

Agreeably, this was to be the last choice effort after ALL other efforts to curve a government back was exhausted.

originally posted by: Mianeye

Hmm lets see...this.

2016 completely unnecessary deaths by gun in America, sure freedom comes with a price, though some never lives to enjoy that freedom, nowhere else in the world do you see numbers like below.

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Number of Children (age 0-11)
Killed/Injured 344
Number of Teens (age 12-17)
Killed/Injured 1,672

I would say that's a problem, which most Americans ignore, enjoy your freedom to own guns, but don't ignore the price.

I love these stats.

Every look up how many kids choke to death on hotdogs?
What about drown in bath tubs?
of the list goes one...


"Oh it about the children!!!"

What a bunch of BS

originally posted by: DAVID64
As an American gun owner.....I don't give a sh** what people from other countries think.
It's not their country and their opinion doesn't count. Period.

Good post.

They don't like it?

DON"T MOVE HERE!

PS.
and next time the country next to you invades and wants to take you over. Call someone else.

a reply to: DAVID64

Maybe we should rename them assault cars?

a reply to: whatsup86

Sorry it's not as easy to kill with a gun as you may think. The VAST majority of shootings do NOT result in death.

It is far easier to kill with an axe, or even a shovel than it is a gun.

Jaden