The Harm of Unchecked Thoughts

a reply to: Aedaeum

And of course a lot of us blame the "world" for our problems and it isn't the "worlds" problem so-to-speak, but every choice and every decision that's been made for us before we were even a twinkle in our mothers eyes and forced into these insipid, loathesome bodies. Let's not get started on the terrible parenting in this modern generation, sowing seeds of depression and anxiety in their kids, instead of wisdom and knowledge.

Aren't you a little ray of sunshine. Read the OP. Print it out. Hang in on your refrigerator. Read it aloud everyday.

~Our bodies are wondrous, amazing and beautiful.
Parents do the best they can, as they have always done. Circumstances can be extremely difficult, just like they always have.
Children shock me at times with how bright and wise they are. Most of them seem happy.

Get your own thoughts out of the abyss and you might feel better.

You know though, the many who try would be liars if they denied the fact that with intent they make sure, at least try, to shield their own from the damaging effect of things they have been exposed to.

The point is we don't get up every day an embrace damage done but take measures to avoid, mitigate, ect its ability to re-effect us.

Many of these dreamers that go about as if nothing can effect how they feel ect, ect can only do so with a hazmat suit so to speak. Folks claiming bubble boy status from reality. I don't believe them. Form of denial major league and dangerous.

a reply to: angeldoll

To enter the kingdom (of god) one must become as little children. Before a child reaches the age of 18 months it is without the thought of 'me and other'. There is only what is happening - there is no idea of 'this is happening to me'. However, the parents have been saying 'you are a good boy' or 'you are a bad boy' on and off since the child was born. The child has been told that he can be good and he can be bad.
Before the child reaches 18 months the brain has not developed a sense of a separate person - in fact the childs brain has not divided anything. The child is seeing, hearing, tasting - sensing the immediate environment - life is non dual, non conceptual - he has no idea of before or after - there is only what is happening.
It is only when words and language appear that the mind produces a person who lives outside of what is presently happening and now there seems to be 'someone' who needs taking care of - self interest becomes key.
The mind in humans is usually full of before and after, worrying about what I did or will do. But life is what is happening right now - it is not somewhere else, some when else. The mind veils what is here - so what is here is not seen or heard. Real life is missed because the attention is on somewhere or some when that does not exist. The person who lives outside presence does not exist either but causes a lot of suffering none the less.

originally posted by: antiguaEstrella

originally posted by: ZoeEleutheria

originally posted by: antiguaEstrella
a reply to: Talorc

There is no bad thought, only bad action.

I have to disagree.

Bad thoughts exist, there is no doubt every bad action stems from a bad thought, thoughts, words and actions are the trinity of good.

They have bad counterparts.

Good that you do. Having an opinion says something in and of itself. But, as I said, there are no bad thoughts. There are no bad emotions. A bad thought is a gun. Guns don't shoot themselves.

There are bad thoughts.

If I imagine murdering someone that thought is bad, even if I don't act on it.

The thoughts of pedophiles would be a perfect example.

Would you say that those are not bad thoughts?

You will have a hard time finding anyone who would disagree that they are bad. Except the pedophile.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Yes babies are "egocentric" meaning they are unable to appreciate anything outside themselves. " I'm hungry. I'm hot. I'm wet, I need to be comforted". That's all they know.

While we are quoting scriptures, we are also to put away childish things, and I doubt God intended us to remain egocentric.

You might enjoy reading Echard Tolle's book, "The power of Now". My thoughts are it is impossible to accomplish, and I'm not sure it's useful, but makes some points you might like.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Yes babies are "egocentric" meaning they are unable to appreciate anything outside themselves. " I'm hungry. I'm hot. I'm wet, I need to be comforted". That's all they know.

Babies don't think 'I am hungry' - they don't have any idea of themselves being anything - there is simply a feeling (not even labelled hunger because they have no concepts, words or language which makes believe all sorts of things). There is simply sensation - sensation is happening - seeing, hearing, tasting, touching is just happening and there is no one having to do anything.
In truth there is no one doing anything as an adult either but there is an idea that there is someone who did do or will do.
Now is simply happening and no one is doing now - it is done.

You might enjoy reading Echard Tolle's book, "The power of Now". My thoughts are it is impossible to accomplish, and I'm not sure it's useful, but makes some points you might like.

What is impossible to accomplish?
I have read the book - I did enjoy it.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

What is impossible to accomplish?

Always staying in the now.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Itisnowagain

What is impossible to accomplish?

Always staying in the now.

It is impossible to accomplish because it is already always the case.
Is there ever a time that you are not here and now? Without thought where is time?
There is never a time when it is not now because all seeing and hearing are happening now even if you are seeing a thought about tomorrow, you see it now.
You are always now.
In fact there is no you or now - there is only ever what is happening.

originally posted by: antiguaEstrella
a reply to: Talorc

There is no bad thought, only bad action.

Bad actions follow bad thoughts.
It is best to avoid them altogether if possible.

Great post OP.
We are in control should we choose to exercise it.
The biggest problem is the world would teach us otherwise.
It is to their advantage that our puppet strings remain intact.
Take SJW's for example, they might even have a couple of extra strings given their inexplicable zeal.

a reply to: Talorc

Yes yes

But what about justice, what about truth

Are we all just to cover our eyes ears and mouth and humm

a reply to: angeldoll

Ignorance is bliss and I'm jealous.

a reply to: ZoeEleutheria

Yes, I say that those thoughts...like ever other thought...are not good or bad.

They are merely thoughts.

Nothing more, nothing less.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Bad actions follow bad thoughts, in the weak and immature.

With age and wisdom, comes the realization that it is only the action that is bad.

a reply to: antiguaEstrella

Let me contradict that statement with a little Hopi proverb:

"Thoughts are like arrows: once released, they strike their mark. guard them well or one day you may be your own victim."

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: antiguaEstrella

Let me contradict that statement with a little Hopi proverb:

"Thoughts are like arrows: once released, they strike their mark. guard them well or one day you may be your own victim."

I have nothing but respect for the Hopi. I myself am of a rather prominent Native American heritage.

However, it is my contention that if a thought is an arrow, it is the action of releasing that arrow which is a voluntary one on the part of the thinker. That arrow must first be removed from it's quiver. It must be fitted to the bow and the bow string. It then must be pulled back. It must be aimed.

And finally, it must be released.

Therefore, it is the action (or chain of actions) itself, not the thought, that can be bad.

If thoughts can truly be bad let's even go so far as to say evil in , then we obviously are incapable of handling them. Then we need to institute a policy of thought crime, and begin rabidly hunting down said evil.


Sorry, but no. My thoughts are my own. Some I would consider beautiful others not so much. But they are mine and mine alone. And I am in control of whether or not they are the cause of action.

a reply to: antiguaEstrella

And finally, it must be released. Therefore, it is the action (or chain of actions) itself, not the thought, that can be bad.

What's that arrow in your analogy now, thought or action? The moment it's released we only have a thought on the loose, aiming for it's target with a given speed or intention. But the thought is still an arrow and it might fly long enough to hit you in the neck.



Thoughts create worlds and most of them actually tend to materialize one way or another. Been there, done that, took some of my own arrows.

Part of that power which would
Do evil constantly and constantly does good.

...said Mephisto

You make some good points, but I have to dissent. It wasn't my intention to thought-police your brainchilds, I'm merely trying to make a point with poetry due to lack of words in describing it properly.

And given the fact, that many dumb postings on fakebook are considered to be 'hate-crimes', we're pretty much meddling with thought-police already. I'm not saying that's a good idea, but would rather see that development as another industrialised capitalisation of opportunities, and thus part of our industrialised way to 'think' like effin robots. Which kinda relates to my first reply in this thread btw. Anyway, thanks for your kind reply!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

If you are unable to escape the social/cultural bondage of guilt, then I am sorry for you.
But I feel certain the platitudes somehow keep you warm at night. So sleep well.

a reply to: antiguaEstrella

Nope, quite the opposite. They cool me down efficiently during those long and hot nights. But why so defensive now? It's not about guilt but rather about awareness or the unconscious.

Have a nice ride anyway!

a reply to: Talorc

Your OP is an example of why the frustrations arise.

You claim that things outside of our power bother us yet we choose whether or not it bothers us.

WRONG.

It is the limitation we are encountering by some perhaps "unknown" entity(s) that are causing us pretty much ALL of our problems.

And I aim to prove this.

Watch and see, coming before summers end, an actual attempt at bending reality, at taking full control over all things that are thought to be not controllable.

I suggest that you have never thought of, or even attempted to think that is even possible, which puts you in the endless loop you just ranted about.

Care to actually attempt to break out ?

Or wanna be like everyone else and tell us we just need to "let go" " be childlike" " accept " .

Coming real soon, we shall see if that is the actual problem of this all, being told that somehow this is "normal".

a reply to: Talorc


"Various topics and news articles become like mental Rorschach tests--- few people will speak to the topic so much as take the opportunity to expose their mental hang-ups."

I count it as a privilege and learning experience to read such intimate thoughts by complete strangers.

I am observing their thoughts and emotions as you would words on paper, to be entertained or rejected as logic prescribes.