You're cruising in the left lane, a car comes up behind you honking & flashing their lights...

I just had to open your thread again just to melt my heart again.
I hope you and scout are doing well.

Congratulations!
What a beauty! Glad you both are fine and all went well despite the difficulties getting there!!

a reply to: akushla99

The reality is, there exist no statistics anywhere in the world that support the notion that driving at the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane' contributes to accidents - however, there are statistics that support speed always being the main contributing factor in major accidents...all over the globe. One wonders whom the 'wrong lane' regulations actually benefit from a safety POV. - according to the underwhelming statistical evidence to support any safety aspect whatsoever...

Your assertion about "no statistics anywhere...driving at the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane' contributes to accidents" should be easy to corroborate with a peer-reviewed study, could you please provide one?

And as mentioned earlier, why would Indiana pass a law ticketing those who drive slow in the left lane ('wrong lane') if there wasn't evidence pointing to a safety issue (e.g. if speed limits are designed for vehicular/roadway safety, what would this law be attempting to do, if not increase overall safety on Indiana roadways?)

And the unsourced assertion "according to the underwhelming statistical evidence to support any safety aspect..." needs some reference material as well, can you provide that? Denying ignorance is the name of the game, so I need some sources to be dealt into this game. It's your hand, fold or ante up some of the 'evidence' you have.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Holy crap... i hate people sometimes lol

Passing lane crusing...


Congrats though



You hold a tiny piece of God right there

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: akushla99

The reality is, there exist no statistics anywhere in the world that support the notion that driving at the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane' contributes to accidents - however, there are statistics that support speed always being the main contributing factor in major accidents...all over the globe. One wonders whom the 'wrong lane' regulations actually benefit from a safety POV. - according to the underwhelming statistical evidence to support any safety aspect whatsoever...

Your assertion about "no statistics anywhere...driving at the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane' contributes to accidents" should be easy to corroborate with a peer-reviewed study, could you please provide one?

And as mentioned earlier, why would Indiana pass a law ticketing those who drive slow in the left lane ('wrong lane') if there wasn't evidence pointing to a safety issue (e.g. if speed limits are designed for vehicular/roadway safety, what would this law be attempting to do, if not increase overall safety on Indiana roadways?)

And the unsourced assertion "according to the underwhelming statistical evidence to support any safety aspect..." needs some reference material as well, can you provide that? Denying ignorance is the name of the game, so I need some sources to be dealt into this game. It's your hand, fold or ante up some of the 'evidence' you have.

Yes.

I cannot find them anywhere. Therefore they cannot be supplied.

Please provide evidence (from anywhere around the globe) that supports the notion that driving at the posted speed limit is dangerous in any lane (i.e. a safety issue).

Å99

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

I don't know where You live...it matters little: globally this law/regulation exists for some reason...

My reading of this revolves around the number of excuses one could give for driving OVER the posted speed limit, in any lane (which is a safety issue according to overwhelming evidence worldwide) - versus the bald-faced denial of being 'in the wrong lane'...guarenteed ticketing!

Å99

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

And to be absolutely clear, I am not talking about driving SLOWER than the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane' - I am talking about driving AT the posted speed limit 'in the wrong lane'.

The statistics to support the notion that driving AT the posted speed limit, on any road, in any lane, anywhere on the globe is a safety issue - do not exist. There are no statistics to provide...because it is not a safety issue. And I would hazard a guess that Your local/national driving safety organisations do not promote it as a safety issue...I could pretty much guarentee (without knowing where You are from) that the message at the #1 spot re: safety on the roadways...IS SPEED.

...and passing a driver who is travelling AT the posted speed limit begs the question of why you would need to be in front of someone who is adhering to the road rules, to overtake in contravention of a posted speed limit to find yourself then...what?...driving at the posted speed limit, which is what you would have been doing before you decided to be in front, for some reason...and that reason would be?

...because they were annoyingly following the rules of the road?

Å99

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
..GET THE F OVER!!!! Yield! Move your a** into the other available lane, or one of the TWO other available lanes. Definitely do NOT:

This the land of six foot tall Quakers on the moon. And you expect them to move out of the passing lane without a showdown. Hello McFly in order to get respect in America you have to break out an AR-15.

1. I couldn't just call an ambulance because they would have to take me to the closest hospital...not the hospital where I was already pre-registered with all my paperwork on file. And they definitely wouldn't be obligated to take my kids to a sitter on the way.

2. 90% of the entire drive I was obeying all traffic laws. Speed limit, turn signals, traffic lights...the works. The only time I sped was on highway straight-a-ways.

I just don't understand why people take it so personally when you try to pass them? Why refuse to get over? Why flip the passing vehicle off? Why try to race them?

The only one in the whole situation that put people in danger was Mr. Big Black Truck Road Rage guy. That guy scared me. Why would you block someone so they can't get around you, then when they do, you speed up and tailgate them at a dangerously close distance?

Anyway...I just thought the traffic rant would be a funny way to open a birth announcement thread. Guess I underestimated people's tendency to be Monday morning quarter backs. But hey, just remember this and if you're ever in labor, or you've been shot or stabbed or some kind of accident where you're bleeding all over the place...be sure to obey all posted speed limits on your way to the hospital!

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie


I just don't understand why people take it so personally when you try to pass them? Why refuse to get over? Why flip the passing vehicle off? Why try to race them?

I know... my husband is one fo those that takes it as a personal challenge to his masculinity. He can't stand anyone else passing him, and if there is a car in front him, even many miles away, he feels uncontrollably drawn to catch up and pass it.
He can get up to dangerous speeds in that quest. (if it was him in front of you, he would have sped up fast enough so that you didn't need him to move).

This irritates me terribly.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

Bro, I lived in Indiana for 17 years. Impedance of the flow of traffic has always been illegal. Now, enforcement is a different story. Js.

a reply to: akushla99

You are clearly not from the US, hence your spelling of certain words (s instead of a z, for instance) so how we drive here is faster than the...I'm assuming, UK. Get into a larger market or in states like Indiana in which there are huge stretches of totally flat, empty spaces and you only get pulled over for 10 over the posted limit. Since it's illegal to pass on the right on a highway, yes. It is dangerous to drive the posted limit in the passing lane. Drive in a major market...I'm in Dallas now, for instance. 10 over is the NORM. You drive the speed limit here, you are putting people, including yourself, at risk. The rule in big cities in the US is keeping up with the flow of traffic. Don't like it? Move to the UK where people do not care about getting places in a timely matter.
That's just the way it is here.

a reply to: akushla99

You are clearly not from the US, hence your spelling of certain words (s instead of a z, for instance) so how we drive here is faster than the...I'm assuming, UK. Get into a larger market or in states like Indiana in which there are huge stretches of totally flat, empty spaces and you only get pulled over for 10 over the posted limit. Since it's illegal to pass on the right on a highway, yes. It is dangerous to drive the posted limit in the passing lane. Drive in a major market...I'm in Dallas now, for instance. 10 over is the NORM. You drive the speed limit here, you are putting people, including yourself, at risk. The rule in big cities in the US is keeping up with the flow of traffic. Don't like it? Move to the UK where people do not care about getting places in a timely matter.
That's just the way it is here.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
1. I couldn't just call an ambulance because they would have to take me to the closest hospital...not the hospital where I was already pre-registered with all my paperwork on file. And they definitely wouldn't be obligated to take my kids to a sitter on the way.

2. 90% of the entire drive I was obeying all traffic laws. Speed limit, turn signals, traffic lights...the works. The only time I sped was on highway straight-a-ways.

I just don't understand why people take it so personally when you try to pass them? Why refuse to get over? Why flip the passing vehicle off? Why try to race them?

The only one in the whole situation that put people in danger was Mr. Big Black Truck Road Rage guy. That guy scared me. Why would you block someone so they can't get around you, then when they do, you speed up and tailgate them at a dangerously close distance?

Anyway...I just thought the traffic rant would be a funny way to open a birth announcement thread. Guess I underestimated people's tendency to be Monday morning quarter backs. But hey, just remember this and if you're ever in labor, or you've been shot or stabbed or some kind of accident where you're bleeding all over the place...be sure to obey all posted speed limits on your way to the hospital!

...If I get shot or stabbed, I have bigger problems than how to get to the hospital safely and without putting other people in danger. Just to remind you, you're the one who exaggerated on how fast you are going, obstacles you had to dodge and the ONLY one who had the right a way on the road. Are you really this surprised that some of us don't think you're as cutesy wutsey as you try to be?

Also, while in the ambulance, you DO have an option to pick which hospital to be taken to. Just a nice little fact for ya

I always find it funny that women now have to one up each other when it comes to the news of having a baby whether on fb or in said forums.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

It is hard to believe how one could feel comfortable with thousands of cars zooming up to them and passing on the right and feeling the hatred of each and every other driver on the road.

Perhaps they like it.

They do like it, and yes it's a mental illness called a power trip. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Congratulations, what a beautiful baby. Plus to add to your post...It's not even about emergencies all the time...it's the law...that is a passing lane and people should not be idly traveling in it...drives me nuts on the commute when people just park themselves in the passing lane. I spend more time cursing at people in the passing lane than any other irritating thing drivers do.

Again, beautiful baby and congrats...glad you made it on time.

Congratulations on your baby.

I felt your irritation last night with a car blocking traffic on a divided highway. I was blocked from passing for several miles.

I see South Carolina has been issuing over 1000 citations in the year they passed a bill for drivers like the one I saw last night. It's very frustrating when a driver is a jerk and they create safety hazards as other drivers behind them get impatient and get very close attempting to pass in any nook or cranny. I would say if you haven't passed one vehicle in over a mile, you are in violation of the law if you're driving in the left lane. I'm not sure if the law is that clearly defined.

Link below refers to the law in South Carolina and citations issued.

wbtw.com...

originally posted by: ColdChillin
a reply to: akushla99

You are clearly not from the US, hence your spelling of certain words (s instead of a z, for instance) so how we drive here is faster than the...I'm assuming, UK. Get into a larger market or in states like Indiana in which there are huge stretches of totally flat, empty spaces and you only get pulled over for 10 over the posted limit. Since it's illegal to pass on the right on a highway, yes. It is dangerous to drive the posted limit in the passing lane. Drive in a major market...I'm in Dallas now, for instance. 10 over is the NORM. You drive the speed limit here, you are putting people, including yourself, at risk. The rule in big cities in the US is keeping up with the flow of traffic. Don't like it? Move to the UK where people do not care about getting places in a timely matter.
That's just the way it is here.

I neither live in the US nor the UK, and having a child is a celebration that can happen under all sorts of circumstances.

I've explained my position re: the dangers of SPEEDING: statistics that can be garnered from across the globe...the figures are indisputable - travelling faster than zero in a glorified missile becomes more dangerous for every driver around you and yourself - and by significant increments, the danger increases as the speed increases - this is indisputable. Any notion that suggests that travelling at greater and greater speeds is somehow safe, are ignoring the overwhelming worldwide data...that's your prerogative for any excuse you could mount for ignoring it...

...lemmings follow 'the flow of traffic' off a cliff...

Roadway engineering should have realised that multi-lane roads that do have an upper LIMIT should have stepped-down speeds in adjacent lanes consecutively to allow for all driving styles - a no-brainer really, but many things don't make sense in hindsight...especially instituting a regulation/law that flies completely in the face of its own SAFETY messages and overwhelming worldwide statistics.

Another poster has been gauche enough to challenge me to find statistical evidence that does not exist...does not exist because the notion that driving faster is safe, or safer... is ridiculous...

...have a safe commute...

Å99

originally posted by: Bluesma



I just don't understand why people take it so personally when you try to pass them?

Because white people are about control. Besides me. Someone comes up behind me in the passing lane and I have cars on my right keeping me from getting out of the passing lane. I speed up and find a hole and let the car behind me in the passing lane move ahead of me and then I will get back in the passing lane.

And it Utah its really bad. The passing lane in Utah is the right hand lane, because all the Mormons who think you should be abducted because you question Brigham Young's statements regarding 6 foot tall quakers on the moon want to control alcohol consumption. They want to control everything. Pornography consumption. Manipulating Helen Mar Kimball into marriage by promising her entire family exaltation in the highest kingdom of God for a 14 year old's willingness to marry a 38 year old whose prophecies never came true ,but porn somehow isn't as bad as manipulating families into accepting statutory rape.

It's amazing you can't get by in Utah on the left. Of 3 or 4 lanes it is the slowest lane. It's like a bunch of coke bottle glass wearing short bus riding Mormons are all trying to play highway patrolman without actually getting a police badge. The further right you go in Utah on a 8 lane highway with 4 lanes in your direction of travel the easier it is to get by slow drivers who WILL NOT MOVE OUT OF THE PASSING LANE. Even though they are required by law to do so! But respect for law as evidenced by Mormons threatening people for not believing in six foot tall quakers is not a Utah priority demonstrated by Mormons or the police force responsible mediating between you and Utah's form of the Branch Davidians.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Whenever I am in the fast lane and this happens, I assume its one of two possibilities

1. They are psycho.
2. Its an emergency.

In either case, I dont want to get in a confrontation on the road, So I simply change lanes and let them pass.