Newt Gingrich Says We Should ‘Test Every Person’ Of Muslim Descent

originally posted by: windword
Muslim decent? What does that even mean? Fear wrapped in ignorance is always a big seller!

This is almost surreal, isn't it?

[This kind of grandstanding to promote fear, ignorance and discrimination is the last thing we need, but seems to be the fuel empowering the leading GOP talking points. It looks like we're going to have more race baiting, religious intolerance and violence on the menu, at least for the next few months.

Sigh........

Fear and all sorts of wars that stem from fear makes critters like the newt rich.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I have a question: how many of you arguing against Sharia law knows what it actually is?

Who will be honest?

I will love for you to enlighten me a heathen of Islam and Sharia

a reply to: Gryphon66

You were saying we aren't rounding up gun owners for visiting websites in droves.

I took that to mean you in disagreement about investigating people for vising certain websites or corresponding with certain websites.

I was just stating I strongly feel that if you are corresponding with people declaring harm to the American public you can be investigated and surveyed.

a reply to: neo96

That takes the cake among the specious comments you've made in my presence, Neo, and that's saying something.

A background check not a religious test, and you know it.

So, how about Driver's Licenses, and Voter IDs? For or against with your new enlightenment?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

They're religious people with a political agenda, i.e. The State of Islam. However, as this is a conspiracy site, and since I fit the bill as a member of the conspiracy club to a "T", I'm not shy to admit that I believe that ISIS is a cover organization for something way more nefarious than religious goals, brought to us by the "Military Industrial Complex"!

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

You were saying we aren't rounding up gun owners for visiting websites in droves.

I took that to mean you in disagreement about investigating people for vising certain websites or corresponding with certain websites.

I was just stating I strongly feel that if you are corresponding with people declaring harm to the American public you can be investigated and surveyed.

Someone interested in finding out more about ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. actually stands for should be put in prison?

Can you link to the post you're referring to?

a reply to: Gryphon66

A background check not a religious test, and you know it.

TRY AGAIN.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

FBI,BATFE 'superhuman agencies'.

So, how about Driver's Licenses, and Voter IDs? For or against with your new enlightenment?

Move that goal post.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it.!

a reply to: neo96

C'mon Neo ... answer the question.

You're claiming that a background check is a religious test.

Is a Driver's License also a religious test? How about getting a Voter ID?

Why don't you answer? Is it because you know just how ridiculous your claim is?

Come on ... have some fortitude.

a reply to: Willtell

And what happens when we beat ISIS? Anytime we go to war with a terrorist group the remnants just form something much worse. Aggression breeds aggression. Our quest for vengeance has spawned their quest for vengeance. As long as our only response is violence it's just going to perpetuate a cycle of more and more death.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: neo96

Because it's not a RELIGIOUS Test?

You know, those religious tests that are specifically forbidden in the COnstitution you like to quote when it suits you?

Yeah. That one.

I suppose you're against Driver's Licenses as well? How about Voter IDs?

I'm not sure that "separation of Church and State" would really apply here if a person is not yet a US citizen and was being vetted to become a citizen. If a person's Religion calls for Harm to the people of the host Country what is the answer?

originally posted by: MountainLaurel

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: neo96

Because it's not a RELIGIOUS Test?

You know, those religious tests that are specifically forbidden in the COnstitution you like to quote when it suits you?

Yeah. That one.

I suppose you're against Driver's Licenses as well? How about Voter IDs?

I'm not sure that "separation of Church and State" would really apply here if a person is not yet a US citizen and was being vetted to become a citizen. If a person's Religion calls for Harm to the people of the host Country what is the answer?

First Amendment applies to visitors to this country as well as citizens.

What Religion calls for harm to the people of the United States?

Aside from that, I haven't brought up anything here as an issue of religious freedom, merely that the COTUS specifically prohibits religious tests.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

You were saying we aren't rounding up gun owners for visiting websites in droves.

I took that to mean you in disagreement about investigating people for vising certain websites or corresponding with certain websites.

I was just stating I strongly feel that if you are corresponding with people declaring harm to the American public you can be investigated and surveyed.

Someone interested in finding out more about ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. actually stands for should be put in prison?

Can you link to the post you're referring to?

It's actually just me being a dumb ass it was mystics post. I am on a cell and just browsed right over. I know your a sensible person so sometimes I also just like to debate with you. We mostly agree but there are some important debates we all should be having imo

1. It's not being a bigot to recognize a pattern and start to formulate ideas to alter the pattern.

2. Hysteria and generalizations only cloud the view of who the bad guys are.

3.isis should not have websites in the us. They should be taken down if found. If they declared war you shouldn't be able to go to a chat room in the US without going dark. And yes you should be investigated if you are even just "learning more about them". It's not a river cruise. You can learn about them from academics which are not the actual terror propaganda sites.

4. The only way this gets fixed is by elevating moderate Muslims. When they rebuild their countries to have a place in the modern world. It ain't an easy fix. But hysteria over Muslims and not educating the differences is an issue. It also makes us less safe. The Muslim people were devastated over Ramadan.

What a great opurtunity to support a definite schism of Islam and the countries that support those ideas.

a reply to: luthier

I like debating with you too Luthier; I thought you were confusing my post with Mystik's but I wanted to make sure.

1. I'm very careful in my use of the word bigot, and I haven't used it here. No, profiling is not necessarily wrong.

2. Absolutely agree.

3. Saying that a website is "in" the United States is kinda tricky. Hosted in the US? Maybe. I disagree with you that wanting to know more about what ISIS or Al-Qaeda say about themselves merits investigation.

4. When we use the word "Muslim" we're talking about 1.6 billion people in the world. I myself can't generalize about that many different people, with different beliefs and different attitudes toward those beliefs and different histories and different etc. etc. etc.

5. Remember, I think that religion is the worst blight on the planet since various asteroids struck. All religions. I do not support any advancement of any religious law in the US or anywhere in the world. BUT ... the Constitution says what the Constitution says, and it is clear on the topic of religious tests and freedom of religion.

IMO, people need to get out of the mindset that Islam is a religion. It is more than a religion. It is a culture, a political persuasion, an ideology, a legal system, a theocracy.

In the west, we have a visceral reaction to anything that hinders the freedom to worship, so we recoil at any suggestion that Islam be looked at any differently than other religions. But, it needs to be looked at differently.

And, remember....they advocate lying to non-muslims to advance Islam. So, you can't really believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

a reply to: Gryphon66

My point about moderate Islam is there has been a lot of progress there in terms of human rights recognitions.

Indonesia has a moderate president it's a massive island chain so that's a big job but he has made some justice and legal advancement regarding the old traditions and human rights.

Syria was not a radical country women went to school and higher Ed etc. Jordan has a moderate king.

Lebanon has gone through several moderates. Iraq even in terms of female equality was ok however the ethnic battles were pretty severe .

Some of the Russia areas that could have gone either way are still a mix thrown in with Soviet training and spite for Russia. Truly economics can do the most good usually through incentives. Like hey stop murdering woman in the desert for driving cars and we will consider this contract until then make your own damn planes.

originally posted by: queenofswords
IMO, people need to get out of the mindset that Islam is a religion. It is more than a religion. It is a culture, a political persuasion, an ideology, a legal system, a theocracy.

In the west, we have a visceral reaction to anything that hinders the freedom to worship, so we recoil at any suggestion that Islam be looked at any differently than other religions. But, it needs to be looked at differently.

And, remember....they advocate lying to non-muslims to advance Islam. So, you can't really believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

That's the purest form of religious discrimination; the implication that someone's faith is not real (like yours is).

Ask the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, Wiccans, Satanists, etc.

The United States has officially recognized Islam as a religion; this is red herring of the highest order.

a reply to: queenofswords

Uhhh no. The reason for Isis murdering so many Muslims is because Islam is not all the same.

A Sufi is different than a Whahabi, different from a Shia etc. Ethnically it's different.

In Senegal which is a liberal country Muslim majority you can buy alcohol at bars. They elected Christians into the presidency.

In Saudia Arabia women can't drive.

In Indonesia they had a female president 3 decades ago.

Psssst...you know what else? People can lie about stuff. This is all around just a very laughable idea. But if it were to happen, which it won't, wouldn't that open up a big can of snakes and the next day they will be taking your guns and your speech and your privacy away and questioning you about your religion or lack thereof. It never fails to amaze as to how very tunnel-visioned some people can get in the face of adversity or fear when someone focuses their rage. I swear this is some sort of demented experiment.

a reply to: luthier

I look forward to many cultures and nations coming in line with modern understandings about human rights. The US itself has a way to go with that item.

I don't see that as related, per se, to religion.

a reply to: InTheLight

Yes it is. It's a bunch of non-Muslims pretending like they have intellectual insight into the Islam religion so they can push a narrative that Muslims are evil. It couldn't be any more biased if it tried.