Newt Gingrich Says We Should ‘Test Every Person’ Of Muslim Descent

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

SO, I guess that you also believe that Beth Din is also un-American?

Not sure about un-American, but sure of being a mere mortal.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: windword

“But we need to be fairly relentless about defining who our enemies are,” he said. “Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail.

I agree 100%.
It's the only way we can prevent these attacks from happening.

So an accidental - as in an innocent click - constitutes being a felon. I myself have searched, in an effort to see if I could find information, on Islamic sites. Favoring ISIS or Al Qaeda???...I don't know, I couldn't tell. I didn't see anything obvious. I would hate to be prosecuted as a terrorist just because I was trying to discover information. Overreach much??? I'm glad his paranoid a$$ didn't make VP.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: InTheLight

Nope, sorry. Jesus is like the bridegroom, who was expecting 10 virgins to marry that day. Alas, 5 of them were too immature to understand about oil and lamps, and so were left behind.

If polygamy was so off message, Jesus wouldn't have compared himself to a polygamous husband. But, he did, didn't he?

Jesus was not God.

I never said he was. You said that the Bible doesn't permit polygamy. It most certainly does "permit" polygamy, it's all over the Bible. But, we're getting off topic. This discussion is for another thread. (Sorry)

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: InTheLight

Nope, sorry. Jesus is like the bridegroom, who was expecting 10 virgins to marry that day. Alas, 5 of them were too immature to understand about oil and lamps, and so were left behind.

If polygamy was so off message, Jesus wouldn't have compared himself to a polygamous husband. But, he did, didn't he?

Jesus was not God.

I never said he was. You said that the Bible doesn't permit polygamy. It most certainly does "permit" polygamy, it's all over the Bible. But, we're getting off topic. This discussion is for another thread. (Sorry)

Sorry, I should have worded that clearer, in the Bible, God.....also, Sharia Law allows polygamy, so some of this is relevant, as well as how everything is left up to personal interpretation and/or re-interpretation as it suits.

a reply to: InTheLight

Not sure about un-American, but sure of being a mere mortal.

For sure! I don't know enough about Sharia Law, or what American Muslims expect from their ability to self govern within their own community through Sharia Law, but I do know that things like female circumcise and honor killings would NOT be "permitted". Also, Sharia Law would only affect those who willing submit themselves to those courts, if set up within the borders of the United States.

originally posted by: dawnstar
muslim descent??
I can't help wonder just what that means also...

I'm of germen descent, and my family roots was here for the revolutionary war. one of the hosts of coast to coast is of lebenese descent I believe. so I guess my first question would be just how would they identify those of muslim descent since it's not a nationality, but a religion that is common in many nations and races around the world.

a blast from the past:
during world war two, many japanese americans as well as german americans were interned in the US.

www.traces.org...

www.thinglink.com...

of course, this is a great way to confiscate the property of american citizens rich and poor alike..
solves many economic problems for those left alone.

Exactly, with the whole post.

muslim descent?? I can't help wonder just what that means also... Many can fall into that and some don't even know. Where do you draw the line. DNA tests for all?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: InTheLight

Not sure about un-American, but sure of being a mere mortal.

For sure! I don't know enough about Sharia Law, or what American Muslims expect from their ability to self govern within their own community through Sharia Law, but I do know that things like female circumcise and honor killings would NOT be "permitted". Also, Sharia Law would only affect those who willing submit themselves to those courts, if set up within the borders of the United States.

But that is the magic question. Will women be allowed to not submit themselves to a watered down version or suffer coersion?

100% agree with Gingrich unless the Muslim community rapidly start to cooperate (fully) in the war against terrorism.

Newt is getting ahead of the curve. He is putting himself in great position. This position is unpopular currently. If the attacks on western civilization rise to twice a month it'll come. With deportations behind.

Native americans have a special agreement to govern themselves and special land rights, They have treaties with the US. government as separate entities. I haven't heard of the jewish thing but I am against using different courts.
Opening up sharia courts would give some easy justification for succession not to mention public support for succession.

oops, he was just baiting us

we "misinterpreted" him

lol

usual bull#, these clowns don't believe what they say, they say it for effect

a reply to: luthier

We should submit all persons from the Middle East to an uniformed session with an interrogator trained in Micro expressions to a questioning when they fly into the United States.NO diplomatic immunity all sessions on record.
If I come home from there ME TOO.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
So an accidental - as in an innocent click - constitutes being a felon. I myself have searched, in an effort to see if I could find information, on Islamic sites. Favoring ISIS or Al Qaeda???...I don't know, I couldn't tell. I didn't see anything obvious. I would hate to be prosecuted as a terrorist just because I was trying to discover information. Overreach much??? I'm glad his paranoid a$$ didn't make VP.

There's no way Newt is that crazy. He likely said what he said because he's trying to make some crazy statements that Trump can then compromise with in order to come off as sane. That's something only a person who isn't on the ticket can do.

originally posted by: jellyrev
Newt is getting ahead of the curve. He is putting himself in great position. This position is unpopular currently. If the attacks on western civilization rise to twice a month it'll come. With deportations behind.

Native americans have a special agreement to govern themselves and special land rights, They have treaties with the US. government as separate entities. I haven't heard of the jewish thing but I am against using different courts.
Opening up sharia courts would give some easy justification for succession not to mention public support for succession.

en.wikipedia.org...

Read up on it. It's not only allowed under our legal system, but it's encouraged. The idea is that in certain cases (civil issues mainly), it allows for two consenting parties to be tried under a shared system of morality. It's most often used between people of the same religion and is quite popular.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: luthier

We should submit all persons from the Middle East to an uniformed session with an interrogator trained in Micro expressions to a questioning when they fly into the United States.NO diplomatic immunity all sessions on record.
If I come home from there ME TOO.

So how about the people who fly from the Middle East to Canada and then from Canada to the US?

Do you want to start claiming people are guilty based on micro expressions that government certified officials claim for a persons intent rather than on their actions?

a reply to: Aazadan

If they fit the profile absolutely.WHY not?
Borders all the same I should mention...
I DIDN'T SAY it was confirmation of anything, merely a targeting method.
Not a final answer.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t
But to say one shouldn't fear it and it will go away is hilarious. This isn't a bed time story. The folks revelling in Bastille Day weren't busy fearing terrorism.

Bad things happen. It's a way of life. I could walk down the street and get mugged and murdered FAR easier than walking down the street and getting killed by a terrorist, but I'm not scared of leaving my house every day lest I get mugged and murdered. We can't get rid of all terrorism, but we can CERTAINLY stop entertaining it and giving it the power it is craving. Giving into fear like America is doing is letting the terrorists win. We are changing our way of life for them. THAT'S what they want.

I'm sure the worst thing the victims were thinking of was a pickpocket.

And yes, they are changing our way of life but not how they think.

PC is over. No fear, no emotion, just a job to do now.

originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: windword

“But we need to be fairly relentless about defining who our enemies are,” he said. “Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail.

I agree 100%.
It's the only way we can prevent these attacks from happening.

So an accidental - as in an innocent click - constitutes being a felon. I myself have searched, in an effort to see if I could find information, on Islamic sites. Favoring ISIS or Al Qaeda???...I don't know, I couldn't tell. I didn't see anything obvious. I would hate to be prosecuted as a terrorist just because I was trying to discover information. Overreach much??? I'm glad his paranoid a$$ didn't make VP.

I suppose it would depend on how much time you spend on the sites.

The black flag on the wall, korans open to certain pages lying around the basement, etc.

Don't they do that with child porn?

Pete Townshend comes to mind.

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: dawnstar
muslim descent??
I can't help wonder just what that means also...

I'm of germen descent, and my family roots was here for the revolutionary war. one of the hosts of coast to coast is of lebenese descent I believe. so I guess my first question would be just how would they identify those of muslim descent since it's not a nationality, but a religion that is common in many nations and races around the world.

a blast from the past:
during world war two, many japanese americans as well as german americans were interned in the US.

www.traces.org...

www.thinglink.com...

of course, this is a great way to confiscate the property of american citizens rich and poor alike..
solves many economic problems for those left alone.

Exactly, with the whole post.

muslim descent?? I can't help wonder just what that means also... Many can fall into that and some don't even know. Where do you draw the line. DNA tests for all?

Isn't it passed down through a parent?

If your dad or mom is muslim, then the kids are?

I thought I heard of a case where the parents were suing each other over the religious upbringing of the kids.

It's all messed up without a scorecard. Sheesh.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

No disrespect intended with this but going by your posts here you fit the profile of a mentally unstable former combat vet who considers themselves a patriot, owns a (multiple?) gun, and is distrustful of their government.

Going by the profile of who is most likely to be or become a domestic terrorist, the impression you give off here is that you are or should be on the top of that list. However, it seems that you haven't yet lashed out at government or society. That's because you fit a profile but you aren't guilty. Do you see the difference? The same criteria which you are using to say we should act against certain people, could very easily be turned against yourself and others like you.

You are basically asking for a government force to come in and haul you away to a reeducation camp or deport you under the same criteria which you want to use to target others.

There is a never ending list of times in history where a nation became seriously screwed up because a paranoid government was tasked with uncovering secret enemies against the state.

a reply to: Aazadan

TO ILLEGAL FACTIONS AGAINST the REPUBLIC, who NEED to fear me yes...hope I won't have to wait long for them...
To identify those amongst an idea who IS attacking the Republic YES.

SEE the Dynamic in play here?

There are good ideas and bad ideas, some ideas lead to good thoughts and some to bad thoughts, some of these thoughts turn to good words, some to bad, and these words can lead some to action. We live in a world that now tries to tell us all ideas should be respected and tolerated, and to do anything less is evil, ignorant, and horrible. Being afraid to defend ideas that make the world a better place against those that don't, is going to have very predictable negative consequences, and we've probably only seen the beginning.. But go ahead, keep believing that because you don't give a care, that no one else should either.