Can life be greater than a magical carpenter?

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Thats amazingly naive, science grew from the foundations of religion
Humanity wanted to discover God

blogs.nature.com...

Now I understand why you wont believe what I have linked, thats fine

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

No, it's not that at all. There are plenty of things I should not do and don't do.

Rather, there are many things I no longer worry about because they are not mine to control. They are His. I worry about the things that are mine to control and leave the rest to Him as I should have all along, but belief lets me let go. It is a huge stress relief.

None of it means that bad things won't happen, but it lets me trust that they happen for a reason and there is a plan.

Plenty find no comfort in that, but it works for me.

a reply to: Raggedyman

There are different forms of concern. I like discussions. They entertain me. Talking about Jesus happens to be a topic I'm knowledgeable about because I spent a significant portion of my lifetime as a Catholic and then just a Christian. Just because I deem to talk about something considerably doesn't mean I believe it, though.

I like to talk about anime a lot too. That doesn't mean that I believe that alien monkeys from space can come to earth and punch holes into mountains. What you did here is what is called a false equivalence fallacy.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I didn't say you believed it
I said you were invested in it, do care when you said you didn't care, you seem to care an awful lot judging by the amount of posts you post on these forums, the amount of people you argue with constantly

I am glad you like anime, that's great

Also you like dictating, preaching at people, you can't discuss anything.

What you did is not comprehend what you read, you based your comprehension on comprehension bias.
The fallacy was in your mind not mine dear KS, tighten it up
You also ignored

a reply to: ketsuko

No, I believe in a triggered chemical reaction in the brain resulting in euphoria.

a reply to: Klassified

It's better than some things people "magically accept as truth".

Well....

some of them "magically" accept it as "truth." The desperate adults and so on.....

but - little kids - they only accept it because it is either ruthlessly drilled into them, or (the "magical" part) the preachers grab them when they are small and still believe in Santa Claus. Funny how people get over "Santa" not being real, and the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy - everyone gets over that. ...... So, you get a little kid and you're telling them the stuff from the cradle until they are dead, that isn't so "magical" - that's browbeating.

a reply to: sycomix

Does it have to do with cannabinoids?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Funny how people get over "Santa" not being real, and the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy - everyone gets over that.

As Cultural Icons, they are (should be) on a par with the carpenter. It's a matter of how they're used.

Imagine if the carpenter was one of the characters in The Rise of the Guardians. That would be cool. But the uproar that would ensue!

By people being free to play with some icons, creativity is allowed free flow.

The carpenter character is bound hard and fast to an archaic worldview. Not just life and death, but eternal life and death. Quite serious, stern. At least C.S. Lewis was boldly playful enough to have Aslan and Santa Claus in the same story, along with certain forbidden (Pagan) characters.

ETA: My computer is bugging me to reboot and run virus scan. It might take a while.

I made it back in time to edit. Cool!

There was a time and place in my life when children would see me and pull their mothers hands and say, "Look there's Santa! Can I go talk to him?" And surprisingly sometimes the children were allowed to talk to me. And sometimes, groups of unsupervised children would stand gazing up at me, with eyes sparkling and great big grins. The most wonderful days of my life!

Now in contrast, imagine, and you may have even seen it for real, a child says, "Mommy, there's Jesus! Can I go talk to him?"

Poor Jesus.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Nope, I prefer my life experiences free from illegal substances.

a reply to: sycomix

Happy for you! Are you aware that humans have been using psychoactive substances since pre-history?

It's the "illegal" part that prevents you? Otherwise...what?

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

We don't even know the purposes of the next life yet. And why isn't the Creator of me and all there is worthy of my worship? People here on Earth worship far lesser idols all the time, money, sports, materialism, et cetra.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Magic carpenter lol.

Jesus (Biblically speaking) was actually the son of an architect and not a carpenter. But the humble carpenter won out because an architect in that day was an important person not a simple wood working laborer. Miriam was probably a title for pristesses and not a name.

So even the story you mentioned is greater than your thinking.

And yes, so is life.

a reply to: Shahada

Biblically speaking, Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph. That was His adopted dad. It says somewhere that He was reckoned a son by law.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Mehh never really saw the need in it. The world is strange enough without help.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Are we really created just so we can be thankful?

Yes, and if you don't like the idea of everlasting life then you can have it your way and not accept everlasting life. The choice is your own.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Are we really created just so we can be thankful?

Yes, and if you don't like the idea of everlasting life then you can have it your way and not accept everlasting life. The choice is your own.

This is not true.Not one person who has ever lived "chose" to be conceived and be born.Only the deceived believe that.If there is Life without death(Spirit) none have a choice of accepting that Life and to be conceived and born either.The construct of a will free of cause is patently false.There is no such thing as free of causality choices.

I don't completely disagree that science grew from the foundations of religion.

The church being the main force of wealth was able to take advantage of the spoils that science can bring. I would probably class religion as a branch of science however as it originally tried to answer the great questions.

The vast majority of these religious hypothesis' have since been proven incorrect. And with the advancement of our knowledge we need to accept it for the alchemy it is. Even if the goals were noble (which is questionable in many instances).

I don't disagree that humanity wanted to discover god either.
If anything the various tales of god from around the world proves that people have wanted to discover god for some time and continue to do so.

Regarding your link....

If the implication is that science and religion work hand in hand. Or that the religious organisations are supporting science which would prove their ideas are wrong (an important part of science) I would disagree.

If however you are saying that the web of control and manipulation which is organised religion reached to science as well, I would agree completely.

There was one part that I agreed with wholeheartedly.

No one, I am pleased to say, was ever burnt at the stake for scientific ideas.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

We don't even know the purposes of the next life yet. And why isn't the Creator of me and all there is worthy of my worship? People here on Earth worship far lesser idols all the time, money, sports, materialism, et cetra.

If that's the purpose of the "next life" or even the boring actual or "current life" then god is definitely worthy of worship.
In fact I guess it is mandated.

That's what I am trying to understand.

a reply to: Shahada

Technically there seems to be various translations.

However if you claim that they purposely mislead people for marketing reasons I am happy to accept that.

Life is definitely greater than my thinking. I'm happy to accept that too which is why I am trying to enhance my thinking on the topic.

Which leads me back to the original question of whether the purpose of life is to be a lap dog for a magical Tektōn?

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

It's not mandated, God gives everyone a choice by their free will. If He mandated it, meaning if it was His soverign will, we would not have been given free choice.

Love cannot be dictated, it has to be given freely. If it's dictated it no longer is love.