The Sanders "Revolution" Was Just Put To Sleep

I feel this is a shame really, I really hope Bernie people don't automatically say, oh well and vote Hillary.
Actually if you are an ATS member and you know the score with Hillary, she is the one person that no ATS member should be voting for.
Better to not vote at all actually, or park your vote in protest with the libertarians this election cycle.

Sanders

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Eighty-five percent of Sanders supporters intend to vote for Clinton

Eighty-five percent of Bernie Sanders supporters said they intended to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, according to a survey released last week by Pew Research Center.

Another 9% said they intended to vote for Donald Trump (a trend the Guardian noticed among its readers) and 6% said they either aren’t sure who they will vote for or will choose another candidate in November.

But further questions in the survey suggest that former Sanders supporters are not necessarily happy with the choices they are left with. When asked whether the presumptive Republican nominee or Clinton was the more honest and truthful candidate, only 47% chose Clinton; 16% chose Trump, and 35% said “neither” candidate could be described with those adjectives.

I'll probably be voting for Clinton now too.

One thing is sure....I'm voting against Trump!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

With close to 26,000 posts on ATS, and your voting for Clinton, hmmmm, do you fear Trump that much?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Yes. I fear a Trump Presidency. I don't want the country dragged back down into the grips of racism like the Woodrow Wilson Presidency. I don't want that con man to have the nuclear codes and I don't trust him to be able to handle international situations with the tact that is required of a world leader (which could result in wars or sanctions against us).

I'd rather have the enemy I know (Hillary, pretty much 4 more years of Obama) rather than the crazy that could destroy everything.

PS: My record on ATS doesn't imply that I automatically believe everything I read on here. In fact I disbelieve a good 80 - 90 % of the content posted on ATS because it is usually paranoia fueled craziness backed up by loose anecdotes and circumstantial evidence.

If people that said the felt the bern, really felt the bern, they would be voting Green Party

#HillNo #JillYes

for the whole primary cycle, The Bern supporters were trying to say they had value X. Now they are really voting for Hillary, who has zero of the values that The Bern's supporters said were important.

Well, it's all down to what happens on that day. I would hate to think that 85% of Sanders voters would take a dump on their own beliefs to vote for Hitlery. I suppose asking for socialists to have a firm grasp of their own principles would be just too much.

They are willing to sell their children's futures for free stuff.

It's all about party loyalty and brain dead voters.

A Democrat platypus could be running for president and it would still be voted for.

Unfortunately, that platypus decided not to run.

The election cycle is not about convincing you who to vote for, it's about convincing you that voting matters.

The fix was in a long time ago. Get used to hearing "madam president"

Here in Washington the election is decided before we even get our say... out that the people here don't vote for anything with D

originally posted by: EternalShadow
It's all about party loyalty and brain dead voters.

A Democrat platypus could be running for president and it would still be voted for.

Unfortunately, that platypus decided not to run.

Call it what you want, but this is only going to hurt Trump's chances. Party unity is how you get things accomplished in this country because people are more willing to compromise with you.

Of course "compromise" has become a dirty word in politics these days...

a reply to: EternalShadow

Platypus 2016

Because I care.

(this post was approved by Platypus)


We can talk politics all day long, look at polls and watch the pundits spew their talking points on tv and the web.

Ultimately, it comes down to votes and the electoral college.

My guess is that despite whomever gets voted in, the sun will still rise the next day and life will continue on as it had before.

It is frustrating that so many say that the only reason they are voting for Clinton or Trump is out of fear of the otherside becoming President! If everyone of these individuals voted for a third party, Americans would send a bigger message to the establishment than the fact that we are just sheeple! Sigh.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Yes. I fear a Trump Presidency. I don't want the country dragged back down into the grips of racism like the Woodrow Wilson Presidency. I don't want that con man to have the nuclear codes and I don't trust him to be able to handle international situations with the tact that is required of a world leader (which could result in wars or sanctions against us).

I'd rather have the enemy I know (Hillary, pretty much 4 more years of Obama) rather than the crazy that could destroy everything.

PS: My record on ATS doesn't imply that I automatically believe everything I read on here. In fact I disbelieve a good 80 - 90 % of the content posted on ATS because it is usually paranoia fueled craziness backed up by loose anecdotes and circumstantial evidence.

First off, prove Trump is racist and a con man using reliable proven sources. Then prove Hillary is not a liar, put the nation at risk, is not a racist and will be less likely to engage in new wars and reduce freedoms while not redirecting funds to her own bank accounts, again from reliable sources.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I didn't say, "Oh, well" and decide to vote for Hillary. I said, "OK. So, Sanders didn't win. So which of the candidates can make sure the GOP doesn't get into the White House?" Trump is bad enough, but when I see the GOP platform is being fashioned by the likes of Tony Perkins, I realize that it's more important to keep Trump and the GOP out than to keep Hillary out.

Emerging GOP Platform Goes Far to the Right

They want to ban women from combat, teach the Bible in public schools, overturn the legalization of gay marriage and declare porn as a “public health crisis.” You can bet there will be anti-abortion, 'religious freedom' (read "Christian supremacy") and overturn Obamacare issues in there as well, not to mention Trump's anti-immigration stance, beginning with the "wall".

No, thanks! I'm not willing to vote to give up the progress Obama has made.

Actually if you are an ATS member and you know the score with Hillary, she is the one person that no ATS member should be voting for.

"the score with Hillary"? Don't you mean, "If you unquestioningly believe all the hype around the various "scandals" surrounding her and being pushed by media and the right..."? Because I absolutely do not buy the hype. Yes, she has lied, yes, she's a politician, yes, there are more honest and trustworthy people, but it's NOT Trump and certainly not Tony Perkins, Paul Ryan and the right wing fanatics who are drafting the GOP platform and salivating over the idea of "running" this country...

I'd rather have Obama again than EITHER of the two front-runners, but with the choices I have, I will vote AGAINST the GOP. And that means voting for Hillary. You may think all ATS members buy all the BS surrounding her (and Obama), but we each have our own minds. ATS is not a collective.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Here's a great article about how Trumps actions, rhetoric, and words are fueling a resurgence of racism and bigotry in this country even if Trump isn't a racist.
For Whites Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Unleashes Words of Resistance

PS: The Trump University scam pretty much proves that he is a con man. Lol.
PPS: I'm not going to prove a negative for you. I already told you I'd rather have the enemy I know rather than the evil that I don't. You should prove that Hillary will be a President unlike Obama.

Eighty-five percent of Bernie Sanders supporters said they intended to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, according to a survey released last week by Pew Research Center.

I'd love to see the data set they used, because man, that is one seriously flawed sample if the Bernie supporters I know are any indication. (most of them are voting 3rd party).

I love how folks think that other nations will either engage in war or sanctions against the US. The world's largest independent economy, and the world's largest and most sophisticated military. Sure...only if they are into economic or literal suicide. Yet we never broker this leverage. Why? Surely, having been on ATS long enough...it isn't difficult to figure out.

As for race divisions, I think Obama has done this quite nicely, don't you think? His quick rush to judgement on cases where race wasn't even a real factor, has certainly done more damage than good. (in addition to being completely NOT the President's job). Overblown soundbites, and extrapolations are not the same as Presidential policy.

But, we can either ease on the brakes towards the NWO (Trump), or we can slam on the gas....(Hillary). Personally, I'll go with the unknown factor over the devil I know. At least there, it's a 50/50 shot. Whereas I'm already 100 percent sure of where a Hillary presidency leads....

PS: The Trump University scam pretty much proves that he is a con man. Lol.

And the Clinton Foundation scam is any better? Makes TU look like small potatoes. You'd rather elect a woman who is bought and paid for not only by big business, but also Wall Street and even our enemies? Yeah, that's way better.....

a reply to: Krazysh0t

A perfect poll probably funded by the Clinton Campaign and its sub-funders.

originally posted by: Gazrok
I'd love to see the data set they used, because man, that is one seriously flawed sample if the Bernie supporters I know are any indication. (most of them are voting 3rd party).

How do you know that YOUR sampling isn't flawed? My sampling came from Pew Research Center. I trust their sampling FAR more than I trust your sampling. Besides, "group of friends" is by far one of the worst ways to bias your sampling. So I really don't trust your sampling.

I love how folks think that other nations will either engage in war or sanctions against the US. The world's largest independent economy, and the world's largest and most sophisticated military. Sure...only if they are into economic or literal suicide. Yet we never broker this leverage. Why? Surely, having been on ATS long enough...it isn't difficult to figure out.

You never know what the future holds for us. Don't pretend like the US is invincible just because we've been number 1 for so long.

As for race divisions, I think Obama has done this quite nicely, don't you think? His quick rush to judgement on cases where race wasn't even a real factor, has certainly done more damage than good. (in addition to being completely NOT the President's job). Overblown soundbites, and extrapolations are not the same as Presidential policy.

Obama is being widely praised for his ability to mend race relations. Stop burying your head in the sand about Obama. He's not as bad a dude as you seem to think he is.

But, we can either ease on the brakes towards the NWO (Trump), or we can slam on the gas....(Hillary). Personally, I'll go with the unknown factor over the devil I know. At least there, it's a 50/50 shot. Whereas I'm already 100 percent sure of where a Hillary presidency leads....

NWO doesn't exist.

that sucks, people must be gutted.. and pis'd off too!

he just rolled over.. like a dog!

I think most of his backers wont vote at all..

Clinton's position is quickly becoming untenable after the attorney generals congress hearing.. They wont be able to just ignore the questions for ever and they know they're in a corner!

I think somethings going to happen that will change this election or someone will try and take Trump out!

originally posted by: thinline
Now they are really voting for Hillary, who has zero of the values that The Bern's supporters said were important.

Bernie won't be the president, but many of his ideas (which is what people who feel the Bern are interested in) will be in the Democratic Platform, so even though he's not there, some of his policies and ideas will be.

Berni e Sanders Wins Liberal Influence over the Democratic Platform

Bernie Sanders may have lost out on the Democratic nomination, but he won significant influence over the party’s official policy positions, getting a draft document that largely reflected his liberal views.
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After a frequently combative negotiating session, all sides agreed the final product was the most liberal set of policies on record.

I never WANTED Hillary to win, but between her and the GOP, even aside from Trump, I'll vote for her.