What is it about democracy when in every election they always win and we the people always lose??

Hello dear ATS members,

It's election season again and I can't seem to rid myself of the same disenchanted feeling I get every four years. For some reason, I have had that strange feeling that my vote won't make any difference. I truly believe these guys play us for a fool. They bombard us with advertising in the hope we vote for them, when in reality they use the system established by our forefathers to retain or to gain power. No matter who we vote for, they always win, regardless of party affiliation, and WE the people always lose. I am just a nobody but when I say out loud "WE THE PEOPLE" I break out in tears. It is our land and for some reason we can't seem to be able to do nothing about them giving it away, and yet, the ask for our vote to give it away.

I'm an intelligent man but this election process seems to me way beyond my understanding, to the point that the least I know about how it works the more it benefits somebody else except me.

I, for one, am not going to go vote. If you guys follow, what in my opinion is the best investigative journalist in America Mr Greg Palast, you would find that voting won't make a difference.


May God Bless America!!!

a reply to: Vanux

democracy is about electing laws
not electing strangers to write them
yall have cellphones

moses says: don't have more laws than fingers
yakuza got it

a reply to: Vanux

I'm not a very intelligent man, but even I know when I'm being taken for a ride. In the end it's all about money. A long as the working class can make it and spend it, that's all they care about. Everything else is just a smokescreen as we've seen in it's purest form the last few weeks.

There are several reason for this and here is what I can figure out:

1) These offices that people are being elected to, have become too desired and sought after. If you go back and read a lot of the speeches by past presidents, at one time it was very clear that when one was elected to the office, the winner was both humbled and horrified that they won, viewing the office as a punishment, even though they were elected by the people. And they did not want to remain in that position, often seeking to leave it after their term was over, and usually at most they stayed 2 terms, except FDR, who remained in for 4 terms, but there were reasons for that.


2) No politician who wants to be elected, would be willing to state the truth, no matter what. The truth often becomes a liability and politically inconvenient. Do you honestly think that a politician would get elected if he stated the whole truth, even when it would be unpopular?


3) Ultimately, lobbyists have gotten way too much power over the politicians. Take some of the hot button issues, if you look at who is donating money, then the way a person votes on a bill, it quickly becomes very apparent who is pulling the strings on some issues.

You know we the real people who are not manipulated by TPTB and their CIA operatives in the mass Media had a peaceful assembly on DC and the President dismissed us. We had a great weekend and when we left we left the place cleaner than when we arrived.

Couldn't say that for the people who went to the inauguration of the same president who dismissed us.

Vote for Trump at least we can see what happens if we get an outsider in. It is always good to put a monkey wrench in their works. then we can have our peaceful assembly once and again at least get our grievances heard.

If you dont vote they win...
If you vote for the big 2 they win...

If enough people stop voting for the lesser of two evils they lose...

The white house doesnt matter... congress matters and they are very weak there... the problem is people arent looking at congress its the figure head they trot out to make speeches that gets people all in a tizzy.

So vote... but vote third party, if people would educate themselves on the process rather than stick their heads in the proverbial sand we wouldnt be in the mess we are in!

a reply to: Irishhaf

It's all about who counts the votes, like Stalin says

the volunteers at voting booths should be there to record any incident of a malfunctioning phone or the odd paper voter, then the app builder, whose offices in Paris are available during business hours to said volunteers in case someone thinks they're not serious about arithmetics, which they are.

It's a representative democracy meaning we don't actually choose who wins the rep's do.

reps read ats all day long

a reply to: Vanux

I agree with you. I believe that the electoral college is proof that our votes don't matter. Personally, I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. My vote might not change the results of the election, but at the very least, it can be documented that I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump.

A democracy is only as strong as the integrity of the people. Americans allow their emotions to dominate their thought process, so they vote for the most charismatic jackass that makes the most dreamy promises. A democracy is doomed to fail.

a reply to: wisvol

At least their CIA counterparts do.

They can only skew things so much... as long as the majority of the people vote against the other guy... they keep power.

If 70 % of the people vote third party... they cant just say pound sand in a general election... they would have a revolt on their hands and blood in the streets... if thats happening they lose money and they dont want that.

The primary is a different animal...

But the General election is where its at, and congress is where we need to get them...

from where I counted, and I'm serious about arithmetics, Ron Paul is preznit till fall, at least in the high part of the county I counted at but also bumper stickers from out of state

a reply to: Irishhaf

The problem is the elctorial college(EC). Even if the people have a popular vote and the EC votes for the other. Guess who wins.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Vanux

I agree with you. I believe that the electoral college is proof that our votes don't matter. Personally, I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. My vote might not change the results of the election, but at the very least, it can be documented that I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump.

A democracy is only as strong as the integrity of the people. Americans allow their emotions to dominate their thought process, so they vote for the most charismatic jackass that makes the most dreamy promises. A democracy is doomed to fail.

Oorah !!!!!

I love that quote that states democracy is as strong and as genuine as the people that it governs. If the people are not really there due to unemployment or such, by definition there is not much the people can object to the process..

a reply to: Vanux

we need to object to the electoral college being what is used to legalize the candidate for president.

The president is selected not elected. There's no longer checks and balances in the electoral college.

a reply to: Vanux

The reason you feel that way is because you like many others don't know how to compromise. Compromise brings about something in each candidate that a person should like. What people focus on though is all the parts they don't like, it's the typical response just because our brains are conditioned to see what we don't have rather than what we do.

Honestly, while I can't say I care much for either Hillary or Donald, they are far from the worst possible choices and both represent an improvement over their predecessors.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Irishhaf

The problem is the elctorial college(EC). Even if the people have a popular vote and the EC votes for the other. Guess who wins.

Forget the presidency... nothing we can about that at this time.

Congress is the key, Third parties are pushing hard to represent states, a few are winning... but more people need to abandon this farce of republican or democrat is the answer, many Republicans and democrats run for re-election without a challenge.

Then when they do people fall into the trap of voting R or D... and the challenger loses and the cycle continues.