If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

a reply to: humanityrising

This was the purpose of the Kerkhoove experiment:

the premise is smart, because it says:

"if monkeys reach the bronze age (learn metallurgy, which they can't) then it means in ten thousand generations man will be a robot or a bat or something, so then therefore by way of consequence if we know how to provoke genetic mutations at a rate assumed to take millions of years, with a species which has a short procreation time, we will observe what a million years does to the organism we cultivate"

thus, honey spiked with mutagens including agent orange and radioactive material was fed to fruit flies.

For decades

And those flies did not speciate (become spiders or shrooms) but some were malformed or blind or albino, just like kids in Viet Nam after the agent orange experiments and even today, although less often.

that clarifies it for you?

originally posted by: spy66
No other lifeform have Our specifics either. Not even Close.

There exists no data of when man became man from another lifeform. There is non. So i dont know why People have these stupid and meaningles arguments. Science cant prove when exact man evolved from a different lifeform.

We didn't come from another lifeform directly.

That's what confuses people.

No species has ever given birth to a different species.

a reply to: wisvol

You are wrong once again. The flies DID speciate. But speciation is just an accumulation of small changes that make one unable to breed with the other, it doesn't turn a fly into a spider. Something like that would take thousands or millions of speciations. The experiment created a new species of fruit fly. Genetically different enough to not be able to breed, but similar enough to still have MOST of the same traits. I don't think you understand what the word species means, but no surprise you don't have a grasp on any scientific terminology. Species doesn't mean fly, spider, frog, etc. For example there are around 900 different species of shrimp alone. Does that mean they are all drastically different? No of course not, but some of them do indeed have different features. You may want to research (LOL!) biological classification of organisms because it's clear you have never been educated on that.

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: wisvol

Explain the races of human without evolution. GO!

Its called adaptation, every organism and population is capable of it.

When Japheth migrated north through the caucus mountains to areas which had less annual sunlight, the average skin tone of the people became lighter because less melanin was required to absorb sunlight. This "race" of people that adapted to regions north of the caucus mountains received lower annual sunlight and eventually gave rise to the Caucasian race.

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: humanityrising

This was the purpose of the Kerkhoove experiment:

the premise is smart, because it says:

"if monkeys reach the bronze age (learn metallurgy, which they can't) then it means in ten thousand generations man will be a robot or a bat or something

There is no goal to evolution, no end point, no purpose.
Imagine a global crisis. No food for months.

The fatties will survive longer and repopulate the earth.
Bags of cheeto's would win over gym memberships.

Is that fair? No.
Why should fair come into it?

But hey, I could be wrong. Perhaps you are a special snowflake and the greatest being ever cares deeply about you.

a reply to: secretboss

Evolution is Adaptation...nothing more. Species adapting to the environment to survive. It's just a theory.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: wisvol

Explain the races of human without evolution. GO!

Its called adaptation, every organism and population is capable of it.

When Japheth migrated north through the caucus mountains to areas which had less annual sunlight, the average skin tone of the people became lighter because less melanin was required to absorb sunlight. This "race" of people that adapted to regions north of the caucus mountains received lower annual sunlight and eventually gave rise to the Caucasian race.

How is that NOT evolution? New traits developed over time. IE lighter skin for different climates. Adaptation is evolution, but you already knew this, and continue to troll people with ignorance.

We are Evolved from Hominids ..


with a Big Game Change to Modern Humans



Anyone Know what the Words Below is ??

Atavism Activation
en.wikipedia.org...

Human vestigiality
en.wikipedia.org...




Selective Breading

Transgenisis
en.wikipedia.org...



To Be God or Act Like a God you Have Transgenisis
is what Most People that have Religious issues are Thinking
a Alteration BIO Engineering Genes and DNA Function
to even adding a different Species " a Chimera "
the So called Intelligent Design which could gave a Boost to Make Modern Man

But to Really Find Out What MAN ORIGINALLY Had been

you have to go to Atavism Activation
Bringing out your Ancestors Genetic Code from your DNA

There Is One Particular Case that a occurrence Had Hapend
To one Individual.

Her Name is Julia Pastrana

a Mid 19th Century Singer Dancer that was Famous
for her singing and Dancing .. a Mexican Indian Woman that Can
Speak 3 Different Languages Spanish English and Russian..

sHe had a Genetic Condition that Caused her look Ape Like
or another Term a Hominid

Her Condition ( Genetic disease ) Caused Her Genes to Double Up or went Missing in a few place's
in her Chromosomes ..

So More less it caused Atavism Ancient ancestor code going back to its original Place ..( filling in the Missing )


This is a Neanderthal / Hominid some what like Julia Pastrana


Mind you Julia is 100% Human
and there is a Mid Percentage of People on this Planet having Neanderthal genetic code
in recent studies has claimed , and perhaps Julia Pastrana was one of them

a reply to: Wolfenz

Bearded chick or transvestite does look oddly simian

I've seen people with striking poodle resemblance and not ancestry too

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: spy66
No other lifeform have Our specifics either. Not even Close.

There exists no data of when man became man from another lifeform. There is non. So i dont know why People have these stupid and meaningles arguments. Science cant prove when exact man evolved from a different lifeform.

We didn't come from another lifeform directly.

That's what confuses people.

No species has ever given birth to a different species.

Right.

The only way we could have evolved is through Our social system and structure. When we mention mutations and such. These mutations would be a big part of Our social structure and proprigation. At present time this mutation is probably bigger than ever within human evolution. We have humans today that never should have been alive in a Natural enviorment. These are active in Our social population. Many of Our People are only alive do to Our social and technological advansment. But this has nothing to do With Natural human evolution.

All we need is a major disaster to Our Technology and 100 of million would die, if not more. THe only once who can really cope With such a event are the once we Call 3 rank and poor. THe once we dont think fit into Our society today.

Even the apes would out live us if something when wrong With Our society.

If we have evolved we shure have not evolved into something stronger or brighter. We are groomed to drift a social system.

If it breaks Down so do we.

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Wolfenz

Bearded chick or transvestite does look oddly simian

I've seen people with striking poodle resemblance and not ancestry too

wow , gET SOME HELP duDE !!

u sERiOUSLy neeD iT ..

a reply to: Wolfenz

how do you mean?

let us not forget how microxenograft can make weird stuff even though 17th century biologists of india and england alike describe preexisting carnivorous plants and bones of dinosaurs

pills, agent orange and radiation (a generation and two later) are known to cause weird mutants too

but none who can fly or looks like an intermediary with a bird or anything

Evolution is a messy thing. Messier when you put it on a global scale. The trait or whatever factor that causes one animal in a species to evolve into the next in line doesn't effect every member of the species at once. Say your only food source is apples for whatever reason (extremely generalized). If an animal can come over and pick the fruit off the tree, they automatically are going to have that trait that sets them apart from the next guy in the species. Say a deer. The tall deer could walk over and reach up and eat whenever he wanted. The next deer can't reach and has to wait for the apple to fall. He's not going to do as well as the tall deer. Short deer slowly die and the species becomes dominantly tall because the short die. Shoot forward a couple thousand years and those tall deer ate so well and easily that they could put more effort into building brains cells and getting smarter or just spread out and pooped apple seeds everywhere and just took over the planet. Maybe the short deer are still around, but they are so different now because of they are lower in the food chain. They kept getting smaller and eating less and getting more sick or genetically degraded maybe?. Not in a generation but hundreds or thousands of generations. Maybe they started eating meat out of desperation. After generations of eating meat out of necessity, they have become carnivores or omnivores and slowly evolved into something else completely. Kind of like a Polar Bear and a Panda Bear. They had to adapt to eat different things to survive so they turn out differently even though they are practically the same thing. Like I said, messy.

a reply to: DinobotIV

that's the point where they decided to see what a ten thousand generation batch of fruit flies would do with spiked honey for quick mutation, and did a giraffe or a deer or a spider pop up?

niet

a reply to: imod02

As crazy as it sounds, I think this information deserves more attention.
A quick search on ATS provides a few threads on the matter.

a reply to: wisvol

I'm confused. Are you asking why the 10,000th generation of fruit fly didn't turn into a spider or a giraffe or a deer? If that's so, you just need to look back further to when all species were just a microbe/microbes and start seeing where sprouted out and where it flourished and where it did not. I don't think it would be absurd that all life on the planet could have started with a single, single celled organism. But personally I think if life started without an object crashing to the Earth and bringing something living to our planet, if it just spontaneously formed due to environmental conditions like some science says could have happened i'm sure it happened in multitudes of different places at once. Therefore multiple starting points with exponential growth in number of possible mutations over billions of years.

a reply to: DinobotIV

charles lyell did not put even ten million years of dirt underneath the first precambrian microbes and seashells
ETA: it would take at least a half frog-prince timeframe to change bugs into gendered fish imho but lyell did not own a microscope and assumed bacteria to be ether or zeus (since chronos was busy doing the frog thing)

so then therefore by way of consequence assuming bacteria turn into gendered fish is another point that had to be publically debated until Louis Pasteur, an actual biologist, explained why the theory of theologian charles darwin was not pertaining to actual microbes

a reply to: wisvol

Maybe what I should have said from the time life started on this planet to this point, life has had a long time to spread out and change in different ways. I do not profess to be a biology expert and I don't know the people or research your talking about. I'm going off HS knowledge backed by an inquisitive brain. This conversation jumped fast from when I started writing the first comment.