Police Said They Shot A Man Because He Pointed A Gun At Them. Video Shows He Had His Hands Up.

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Grrr.. Another shooting. The video on this one does not appear to be good for the officer.

Jul 10, 2016 10:33 am Another black man was shot and killed by police in Texas early Saturday morning. Houston Police said Alva Braziel was waving a gun around and pointed it at them when they opened fire. But surveillance footage from a nearby gas station suggests otherwise. The video, which began circulating Saturday night on Twitter, shows Braziel walk out toward an intersection. When the squad car arrives, he appears to put his hands in the air and turn around, standing still for a few seconds before police shoot him. Both officers involved reportedly had body cameras on them, but the footage has not yet been released.

Link with video.
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iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

I'm wondering why anyone even needed to get Surveillance footage from a nearby gas station. Dash cams, body cams? How often do the cops get away with it when there ISN'T gas station surveillance footage?

Submitting falsified reports AND having blood on their hands? If that is the case, it will likely play out like this:

Wrongful Death suit - family is awarded undisclosed amount of money in return for not publicly talking about it, no charges are filed, everybody wins (except the dead guy of course)

:/

Anyone got that video that was "making the rounds on Social media"?

Silva said investigators have collected the surveillance video and that along with the body camera footage will be reviewed as part of the investigation by Houston police and the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. No video will be released while the investigation is being conducted, she said.

It takes no time at all to tell the truth, lies take time to fabricate.

As long as there is no independent review board for video evidence , including body cam footage, then the police are still investigating themselves and we can expect the announcement to read like so many others. "No charges are warranted at this time".

originally posted by: intrptr
Anyone got that video that was "making the rounds on Social media"?

Silva said investigators have collected the surveillance video and that along with the body camera footage will be reviewed as part of the investigation by Houston police and the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. No video will be released while the investigation is being conducted, she said.

It takes no time at all to tell the truth, lies take time to fabricate.

As long as there is no independent review board for video evidence , including body cam footage, then the police are still investigating themselves and we can expect the announcement to read like so many others. "No charges are warranted at this time".

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OP updated with new link.

iTruthSeeker

those body can bids may not be released just yet.
for obvious reasons.

If this is true then hopefully the bodycam footage reveals this.

The officers ordered Braziel to drop his weapon and at least one witness at the scene was also asking him to do the same, Silva said. Braziel then pointed the gun in the air and as he lowered it, he brought it to his waist level, pointing directly at the officers, she said.

iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Apparently there is a witness who also said he/she told the suspect to drop the gun, and that the suspect pointed it in the air. Hmmm.

Ahem, thats an official (police) statement press release.

Just show us the un edited, un pixilated, un granulated goods.

I hate to say it but pause the video when the car pulls up to the junction. zoom in. it creates a background for details to show up against. His arm closest to the camera looks like it is pointing towards the police car to me.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Apparently there is a witness who also said he/she told the suspect to drop the gun, and that the suspect pointed it in the air. Hmmm.

Ahem, thats an official (police) statement press release.

Just show us the un edited, un pixilated, un granulated goods.

I can agree with that. Time will tell when the bodycam video is released.


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: sg1642

It does appear as though he does point his arm in the direction of the officer..(who failed to put his car in park for a moment)

I know this is very poor quality (mobile device) but if you look you can see the headlight and I don't see any arms in the air?

The problem is that now, the police have lost the benefit of the doubt. What was once the muffled cries of the black community with regards to excessive violence and being hung out to dry by fabricated police reports has now been brought to bare for the whole world to see.

This did not happen overnight. It has taken years of good ol boy, thin blue line, us vs them mentality to erode away the "gift" that society has always given them. The benefit of the doubt, the automatic assumption that they were in the right.

It's gotten to the point that no matter where you live, what color you are, or what economic class you are from, MOST seem to be shifting away from the old way of thinking and are now saddling these officers with the BURDEN OF PROOF.

I don't feel bad for the police when they get up and complain about all the "outcry" from the public. When they feel it is too much for them to have to DO THEIR JOB and act accordingly, all the while providing transparency to the tax payers. Sorry, the free ride is over, the jig is up, the gravy train has ended. Get used to it, the good old days are long gone.

I certainly don't condone the violence against any officer, but they had better get damn used to being put under the spotlight everytime they do something. And they(and most people) have to understand that just because what they did was "right" it's still not going to go over well and will be subjected to heavy scrutiny, this is merely the effect of the pendulum swinging in the other direction.

If he did have his arms up then the police officer in question who fired (or both) is just as much a murderer as the shooter in Dallas. But equally if he didn't and he did put their lives at risk he has nobody to blame but himself. And social media has a hell of a lot to answer for because the message is already loud and clear before facts emerge.

Looks to me like his right arm comes down from the vertical. Then again, with all the movement by whomever is filming the feed coupled with watching it via mobile, I wouldn't swear to it. Had to watch it a dozen times as it is, but that's what I see.

ETA - not to say he didn't have his hands up. He did. Just don't think they stayed there.

originally posted by: sg1642
I hate to say it but pause the video when the car pulls up to the junction. zoom in. it creates a background for details to show up against. His arm closest to the camera looks like it is pointing towards the police car to me.

Watched the video with at least 12 other people. NO ONe sees him pointing a gun

originally posted by: sg1642

I know this is very poor quality (mobile device) but if you look you can see the headlight and I don't see any arms in the air?

Looks like a classic shooting stance to me. Knee's bent slightly, arms extended.


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

In my inexperienced and humble opinion, from the ThinkProgress video posted in your link, it looked to me like there were sparks flying from the man's hand, perhaps a gun being shot, before he put his hands up, at 26-28 seconds into the video.

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originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: sg1642
I hate to say it but pause the video when the car pulls up to the junction. zoom in. it creates a background for details to show up against. His arm closest to the camera looks like it is pointing towards the police car to me.

Watched the video with at least 12 other people. NO ONe sees him pointing a gun

Hey I don't dispute the fact. This is grainy footage and no I don't see a gun. But why would a witness tell him to drop a gun he never had? Equally the footage doesn't show a lack of a gun either.

Since when do mounted cameras move around. As someone mentioned, this seems to be a person's video. Also there is audio from the security camera.

edit:

But surveillance footage from a nearby gas station suggests otherwise.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Finally something we can agree on then

It is pretty clear actually the more I watch it. He has his arms in the air and his right arm drops.