May set to be PM as Leadsom quits race

a reply to: bastion

Holy cow....your uncle was in ghe supergun crew? I bet he gets nervous around Israelis.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: bastion

Actually, I'll go further. You said earlier in this thread -

So a woman who privatised the police by stealth and handed it over to G4S, who coincidentally is married to the head of G4S, is going to be PM.

Now, we know that's a lie. So just how good an investigative journalist are you again?

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One that works for Private Eye and BBC North, ex level 3 MI6. Read what a superinjunction is, read minutes laws. Its illegal for me to tell you, it's illegal for the company not to tell you. I completely agree the law makes no sense.

There's a good 45 minute documentsry on how to uncover this stuff here - www.youtube.com...

I know exactly what a superinjunction is. Now tell me again why you said Theresa May's husband was head of G4S when apparently as such an expert reporter you will know you were lying. Once you come back and say you admit you got that wrong, then I'll maybe consider you to be not so much an out and out liar, rather than someone who wants to make a point.

BTW, there's a reason Private Eye has lost more libel cases than almost every other UK publication - do you know why?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: JAK

originally posted by: bastion
... who coincidentally is married to the head of G4S...

What evidence is there to support this claim?

If you are as concerned over the relationship between government and G4S then to avoid diluting your position through errors and so granting space to those who, for whatever reason, would rather the relationship doesn't come under scrutiny then it would seem of great importance to offer only arguments which stand on solid ground.

It's been in the public domain for three or four years, landlord is CID in Manchester, ask any high ranking police - here's a few news stories -

www.theguardian.com...

www.theguardian.com...

www.telegraph.co.uk... al-banner.html

www.telegraph.co.uk...

A few news stories none of which seem to say anything about May's husband being a major shareholder in G4S.

I don't like May but I think it is better to criticise based on things she has actually done wrong rather than apparently made up Internet rumours.
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Erm all those stories were from when police were walking out because she cut 20,000 police and gave the contracts to SERCO and G4S.
It's not a rumour ask any police officer - I've been a journalist for 15 years - in the uk you can only access 6 stories out of 220,000 on him due to data protection. Write to the information comisioner or write to G4S or Serco and ask for a copy of their board member minutes if you don't want to take my word for it. It's a fact on legally binding paper and official government documents, not random online blogs. The whole reddit conspiracy about him and g4s is a complete lie though. I'm basing it on the true story I have the papers for.

Here's a taster, warning requires weeks of researcherch and to ctually follow and vet politics daily, not jut reading the odd blog.

Home Secretary Theresa May has rejected an accusation of a conflict of interest in Lincolnshire Police's decision to award a £200m contract to G4S.

At the Police Federation conference, Mrs May was asked about Tom Winsor, a partner of a law firm which advised the security company on the deal.

In 2010, Mr Winsor was appointed by the government to author an independent report on police reform.

Ms Adams said: "When you appointed Tom Winsor to carry out your independent review of policy, did you know that the law firm Tom Winsor is part of, which is White and Case, was negotiating the multi-million groundbreaking deal for G4S with Lincolnshire Police?

"How can it be fair and independent if there's a vested interest?"

Again nothing to do with May's husband holding shares in GS4. Saying police officers know (how would they) is not evidence.

I am not saying it is not possible May benefited from holding shares in GS4. But there seems to be no evidence that he did and certainly none that he was a major shareholder.

Claiming to be a journalist with super secret knowledge doesn't really cut it if you can't provide evidence.

I've already posted the evidence - go to your local council cite the 1982 Local Government Authroity Act Section 17- link here: www.legislation.gov.uk...

Write to G4S, SERCO or White and Case to obtain minutes from meetings proving he owns shares and was instrumental in the del as the mutes contain his vote and campaign for G4S. - Here's the law and guide how to do it

As explained it's illegal for me to post due to super injunction - this what a super injunction is - www.bbc.co.uk...

I'm not going to jail because you're too lazy to write a letter or use your democratic rights.

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Sorry if I see like I'm having a go at you, it's the law that pisses me off as we have all the rights to know this but only people with ability to sift through thousands of books and legal paperwork get to know their rights - section 17 is the most important law in the UK and burried in a 1250 page document.

So you post links from the Guardian that don't in any way support what you are saying, you say if any one needs proof they need to write to G4S or other parties to vindicate you, but the actual proof is a result of a super injunction so you can't say anything to prove your claim. I can see how that works, it's called bollox.

Was about to reply to bastion but I think you may have summed it up far better than I was going to.

Sorry for jumping in ahead of you, this is just getting embarrassing on here, but at least we know several members prefer to swim in the shallow end when the thought of a female PM goes to their heads.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: uncommitted

I believe leaving the EU was a mistake

We haven't left yet, come to think of it we haven't even started to leave yet...., stay tuned.

you didn't get a choice for the leader of a party you didn't vote for................
where do I keep that really little violin? I must have a look.

Your idea of democracy and mine differ somewhat.

My idea of democracy on this issue is quite straightforward - it's the fact that voters vote for a party, not the party leader. The house is allowed to issue a vote of no confidence, but Tim Farron aside, I'm not sure there is any likelihood of that. Like I said, you don't like it, live with it. I have to with the Brexit vote which isn't just until 2020 at the latest, but fairly much for a very long time.

a reply to: bastion

First rule of journalism - facts. Is the husband of Theresa May head of G4S? No, he's not. You said he is. Now, tell me that first rule again?

In this country we do not vote for a Prime Minister - unlike say the US Presidency election system.
We vote for individual MP's - originally ALL MP's were free from any political party allegiance, they were all independent. The party system seemed to just evolve over time - and the leader of the party with most elected individual MP's is PM.
At present The Conservative Party has an overall majority of MP's - so the leader of that party is PM - today its Cameron by Wednesday evening it looks like it'll be May.

There are many, many precedents.
Current Parliamentary procedure has been / will be followed.
As much as I'm loathe to say it the Tories have done nothing wrong.

If people don't like the current system - I think most people know what I think of it - then they should work for reform of our procedures, pretty simple really.

Can I have YOUR assessment of Theresa May?
Thank you.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Can I have YOUR assessment of Theresa May?

A picture is worth a thousand words....

Deja vu

a reply to: gortex

OK ...in country you didn't like her,she was quite militant and backed up what she said,peripherally I did appreciate her but I still need more.

a reply to: gortex

Are you afraid of women, or something? If May was a bloke then you (and others) would not be in such a panic.

Try to keep it to policies and record rather than the fact May is not a man.

may was horrific at best as home secretary.
so highly qualified to run the country then.

I wonder if it's too late to file a refugee application with the North Korean embassy...

a reply to: stinkelbaum

For one she was in that job ( Home Secretary ) for six years so in the eyes of her Government it was not " Horrific at best "
The immigration numbers ( Set not by her but within the Conservative manifesto ) were impossible to achieve with us being part of the EU and 500M+ allowed to wander, until we are out anyway.
I am looking forward to Theresa taking on the toughest job for many many years and she has the backing of those we have voted to govern us.
She will put the required pieces into a new cabinet without any pals being pushed into unsuitable posts.
I cannot think of anyone better to do the required for the good of our country..

www.bbc.co.uk... Profile..

Theresa May is the new Conservative Party leader and will become the UK's second female prime minister on Wednesday, taking charge at one of the most turbulent times in recent political history. The 59-year old home secretary's carefully cultivated image of political dependability and unflappability appears to have made her the right person at the right time as the fallout from the UK's vote to leave the EU smashed possible rivals out of contention.

But the EU referendum which David Cameron called and lost - the year after leading the party to its first election win in 23 years - turned political certainties on their head and, as other candidates fell by the wayside after the PM's own resignation, Mrs May emerged as the "unity" candidate to succeed him. That her party should rally round her at such a time of national uncertainty is testament not only to the respect in which she is held across the party but to the fact that, in a world where political reputations can be shredded in an instant, Mrs May is the ultimate political survivor.

www.bbc.co.uk... Latest..

a reply to: skywatcher44

I can only hope that your whole post was sarcasm......but I fear not.

If anyone will keep the dammed scots in line May will.

Hope she comes down like a hammer on them.

originally posted by: crazyewok
If anyone will keep the dammed scots in line May will.

Hope she comes down like a hammer on them.

What's she gotta do anything to the Scots for?

She'll come down like a hammer on everyone in this country, she'll be a simpering fool with the EU ministers though.

a reply to: paraphi

Are you afraid of women, or something? If May was a bloke then you (and others) would not be in such a panic.

Try to keep it to policies and record rather than the fact May is not a man.

She reminds me (and others) of Thatcher so that makes me a misogynist ?
Keep slinging that mud paraphi.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: crazyewok
If anyone will keep the dammed scots in line May will.

Hope she comes down like a hammer on them.

What's she gotta do anything to the Scots for?

She'll come down like a hammer on everyone in this country, she'll be a simpering fool with the EU ministers though.

The scots want to drag the union apart at a time when the UK most vulnerable.
A 2nd Scottish referendum could destroy both the UK and Scotland so May needs keep the Scotts under a heavy thumb until we are in a strong economic position again, then maybe allow the scotts to bugger off.


As for EU talks I think she could stand her ground with mad Merkal.

a reply to: crazyewok

I really doubt that there will be a second indy ref in Scotland and furthermore, If they want to leave the UK post Brexit and join the Eurozone, they will be faced with a proper border, with passports etc and membership of the euro (because they wont be able to share in the pound as they do now).

I just can't see a majority of Scots voting for that, especially when the majority voted to remain in the UK with the promise of keeping an open border and the pound if they left before.

Totally different proposition now.


Not all Scots are separatists and even though the majority of those who voted in the Euro ref voted to remain, there was still a sizeable rump who voted leave or abstained altogether. No need at all to view them as enemies who need "hammering."

originally posted by: gortex

She reminds me (and others) of Thatcher so that makes me a misogynist

No. Apart from being a woman, how is she like Thatcher?