Why is the KKK not a formally recognized terrorist org:

This I didn't know, I had always had the assumption that they were, until I came across a petition to have the U.S government formally recognizing them as such, I am usually pretty ok on stuff like this but some how it flew over my head.

Recognize the Klu Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist organization & make their eradication a Homeland Security priority. Created by C.M. on June 29, 2015
petitions.whitehouse.gov... y-priority

This with all the calling for Black Lives Matter people or org, to be labeled a terrorist org, when as far as I know they have not done anything beyond being obnoxious at their extreme, but an Org that killed.

The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968, with the annual peak occurring in the 1890s, at a time of economic stress in the South and political suppression of blacks.A five-year study published in 2015 by the Equal Justice Initiative found that nearly 3,959 black men, women, and children were lynched in the twelve Southern states between 1877 and 1950.

The 911 attacks that caused us to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with the initial death of 2,996 people, and 6000 wounded which in turn saw the rise of ISIS and our involvement in places like Syria, in no way warrant the official term terrorist org??

TBH I don't really care , I already have my low opinion of them, due to their history but I was just surprised at my ignorance.

a reply to: Spider879

My guess would be that they have people in high places that are in the KKK, or at least sympathize with them which is more than likely the reason why they aren't officially listed as a terrorist organization.

If they recognize the KKK as such, they sure better put BLM and the "New Black Panther Party" on that list as well.

I know, right? I guess they're grandfathered-in or something, seeing as they were around long before terrorists and terrorism became a thing against all lives.

But to be a little more serious, as long as they don't breek any laws, both groups have every right to be and rally and protest and speak their piece.

But all the skirting around the edge of hypocrisy, if not outright hypocrisy, should really make more people just sit down nd think.

I would guess it's because if bigotry was labeled terrorism then a lot of Americans would be labeled terrorists as well, especially with today's political climate causing such animosity.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
If they recognize the KKK as such, they sure better put BLM and the "New Black Panther Party" on that list as well.

And every known street gang.
Yes,that includes skin heads, Nazi and maybe scientologists*, ok not them*.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
If they recognize the KKK as such, they sure better put BLM and the "New Black Panther Party" on that list as well.

Why?? the BLM people and the New Black Panthers which I despise btw show up and yell at ppl, again as far as I know they haven't killed anyone even though the NBPP is armed and fit my definition as a racist org.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
If they recognize the KKK as such, they sure better put BLM and the "New Black Panther Party" on that list as well.

The KKK has more blood on their hands than the original Black Panther Party, the "New Black Panther" Party, and Black Lives Matter altogether. It's not even a valid comparison. Not to mention the original BPP was formed as protection against groups like the KKK.

It's because the KKK, while being a well-recognized hate group, is not a terrorist organization.

The term 'terrorist' or 'terrorism' is too broad of a term that has become more widely used in a political context, rather than a term used to describe a group that actually strives to terrorize people.

KKK hasn't terrorized anyone in a long time

They have no influence and any attempt to organize on a large scale will easily and quickly be shut down. No one wants that garbage around, not even the most progressive chapters. If a KKK does act and commit an act of terror, there will be plenty of room for them to be classified as a terrorist group.

They are considered hate group extremists and officially considered a threat, just not terrorists.

In comparison, there are many extremist Islamic groups which are not terrorist organizations. Also many extremist Christian orgs as well besides the KKK. Not terrorists. Just people exercising their freedom of speech.

If you are proposing we should support the removal of their freedom of speech, you can start by removing your own and see how it goes.

a reply to: introvert

I think a pretty good argument can be made that white supremacists are pretty politically motivated.

They sure were in upstate NY when I was growing up...they were representatives and judges and prison guards and cops and other fine, upstanding members of the community (gag).

originally posted by: introvert
It's because the KKK, while being a well-recognized hate group, is not a terrorist organization.

The term 'terrorist' or 'terrorism' is too broad of a term that has become more widely used in a political context, rather than a term used to describe a group that actually strives to terrorize people.

It really depends on the government's agenda. If I recall correctly, the original Black Panther Party was deemed a terrorist organization because they sympathized with Socialist beliefs, so the FBI labeled them terrorist because they felt that they may be spies or aligned with the USSR. It is speculated that the USSR tried to infiltrate the organization to cause dissent in the US, and the FBI knew this and had counter intelligence setup to destroy the BPP from within.

The real kkk founded and populated by democrats was declared a terrorist organization back in the late 1800s and slowly declined.

Then it resparked in popularity with the democrats in the 1920 and 30s.

Then it declined again.

Then small groups tried to rebuild it. Most famously, Hillary Clinton's mentor senator Robert Byrd was responsible for recruiting many friends and family to form a klan chapter.

Now there are just a bunch unafilliated goofballs using the name,

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I think a pretty good argument can be made that white supremacists are pretty politically motivated.

Aren't we all?

What is the defining line between ignorant hate group and terrorist group?

I think the term is used too much.

originally posted by: Spider879
This I didn't know, I had always had the assumption that they were, until I came across a petition to have the U.S government formally recognizing them as such, I am usually pretty ok on stuff like this but some how it flew over my head.

Recognize the Klu Klux Klan as a domestic terrorist organization & make their eradication a Homeland Security priority. Created by C.M. on June 29, 2015
petitions.whitehouse.gov... y-priority

This with all the calling for Black Lives Matter people or org, to be labeled a terrorist org, when as far as I know they have not done anything beyond being obnoxious at their extreme, but an Org that killed.

The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968, with the annual peak occurring in the 1890s, at a time of economic stress in the South and political suppression of blacks.A five-year study published in 2015 by the Equal Justice Initiative found that nearly 3,959 black men, women, and children were lynched in the twelve Southern states between 1877 and 1950.

The 911 attacks that caused us to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with the initial death of 2,996 people, and 6000 wounded which in turn saw the rise of ISIS and our involvement in places like Syria, in no way warrant the official term terrorist org??

TBH I don't really care , I already have my low opinion of them, due to their history but I was just surprised at my ignorance.

I applaud and admire your humility to accept your own ignorance. Truly, I do. I wish more people would do the same.

However, the war on terror has claimed more lives than you stated in the OP.
This could be chalked up to the "fog of war" but that doesn't cut it.

Look, we can't always be supportive of our leaders decisions, blindly or otherwise. Yet, in the end, THE PEOPLE should be blamed when those leaders go off the reservation and make rogue decision against what a majority of Americans wouldn't agree with. They presume to know the pulse of the public, but in all actuality , couldn't care less.

We, THE PEOPLE , need to hold our leaders accountable through due process, in order for due process to remain relevant. So many ancillary laws have been created to subvert that process.....to mask corruption ....to hide collusion.... To establish an dividing line between the haves, and the have nots.

We all must see through the manipulation on all fronts.

a reply to: introvert
According to the FBI:
"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

a reply to: Phage

With the definition in mind, would you consider the modern KKK a terror organization?

How about BLM?

how odd, I researched this topic 20 minutes ago. It seems there is no official list of domestic terror groups, only hate groups and "extremist" groups. here is a list I found

list

a reply to: introvert

Aren't we all organized in a fashion as to control people through fear and intimidation and legislation? No.

Here we go again. Defining past events with today's ethics. Are they still doing what they did ages ago? If so then yes. If not, why are we redefining the past? Sympathy for the Klan? Hell no. Just have a problem with the word "terrorist" being thrown around.