FBI Director: Petraeus Leaks Were Much Worse Than Clinton Email Mess

a reply to: Irishhaf

And I stand by that.
As for proof, I was being facetious. I don't really need you to link anything.

a reply to: interupt42

Yeah already I addressed the statement you're misreading.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: interupt42

"Sufficient evidence" is not the same as" evidence sufficient to establish."
One speaks of quantity the other of quality. There was no evidence to support a crime.
You're not reading the legalese with which he speaks. Lol.

Is that the same legalese that came from the people that thought the FBI stands for the Federal Bureau of Inquiry?

a reply to: interupt42

Possible does not mean probable.
If I buy a lottery ticket is possible I will win. It's probable I won't.

a reply to: interupt42

No answer who does? Don't put words in my mouth. Don't twist. Or don't debate.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: interupt42

Possible does not mean probable.
If I buy a lottery ticket is possible I will win. It's probable I won't.

So you agree that its possible she partook in criminal activity based on the FBI findings.

a reply to: interupt42

Huh bye when you start the I'm rubber your glue bull I'm out.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: interupt42

Huh bye when you start the I'm rubber your glue bull I'm out.

More like you can't argue with facts, if you can than which of the following are not factually true?

1. She is a proven liar and has traits of a habitual liar.

2. She has proven incompetent to handle critical sensitive information as a gov't official.

3. She has proven herself and her family to be unethical by having her husband meet with the Attorney General while under a criminal investigation about her was going on.

4. She has numerous conflict of interest that are not in the best interest of the people , she is suppose to represent.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

For everything that is against Hillary, Trump makes me feel far worse about him being President. Since

Trump has nothing to do with what we have been discussing. We have been talking about Hillary being a horrible choice to represent the POTUS , because of her being unethical,a liar, and incompetent with handling govt highly sensitive information.

In addition, there is no reason nor any relationship that prevents BOTH Trump and HILLARY from being unethical , liars , and unworthy of being the POTUS. Which I think they both are.

However, only Hillary has a proven record as a public official as being incompetent with handling gov't highly sensitive information.

Secondly , Only Hillary has proved she is above the law or has no regards for the law when she gave a big FU to the justice system and the people. When she unethically had Bill meet with the Attorney general while she was under investigation.

Thirdly, Only Hillary was under criminal investigation by the FBI and now under another investigation for incompetence by the State Department .

Fourthly, Despite the possibility that trump goes FULL retard which you should never do , the oligarch and congress will keep him in check.

Finally, Only Hillary has been a career politician with little to show for it,

Last but not least, you don't really have to sweat it and come to her defence because its highly probable that she has already been chosen for POTUS by her interactions and backing from the corrupted system.


Having said that, I will give you that Trump is not much better but their is a .001 that he might be , simply because he hasn't proven any of the above yet.

However, I don't lie to myself and defend him or overlook the blatant stupid things he has said and done either . Unlike his many rabid supporters and the equally rabid Hillary supporters.

See you seem to be under the misunderstanding that I've always been a Hillary supporter or something, but that's not true.

never claimed that you did.

I only support her out of necessity not because I want to. But at the same time I won't stand for people lying and making # up about people.

Nothing wrong with that, but from what I see you also overlook a lot of inconvenient facts about her.

You appear to defend her as if she was your daughter, in the sense that you stand by her no matter what. Its that mentality that has allowed our sh1tty gov't to exist and expand in the first place.

We need to break the cycle as the lesser evil BS is never-ending.

If your candidate looks and smells like $h1t then they are $h1t and $h1t is $h1t in the end, and you shouldn;t try to make it smell like flower.

We would be better to waste our time on trying to find a way to fix the system from the corrupted GOP and DNC, versus defended and fighting for a piece of $h1t.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Nothing wrong with that, but from what I see you also overlook a lot of inconvenient facts about her.

Welcome to the world of politics. When you can point out a politician that is 100% altruistic and not out for themselves, I'll be the first to vote for him/her. Until then there will always have to be concessions and dark blotches on your candidates that you have to ignore. Such is life. I'm not excusing these things. I just don't see them as big of a problem as you do.

Plus my choices are pretty much, a sneaky and underhanded politician, a lying and bombastic con man, or a nobody. It's pretty much a lose/lose/lose situation.

You appear to defend her as if she was your daughter, in the sense that you stand by her no matter what. Its that mentality that has allowed our sh1tty gov't to exist and expand in the first place.

If I tell you that is not true, would you believe me or have you convinced yourself of this already? Though I WAS and still am a Bernie supporter.

We need to break the cycle as the lesser evil BS is never-ending.

Preaching to the choir here, but that is a discussion that should have been undertaken before there were only two choices to choose from for President.

If your candidate looks and smells like $h1t then they are $h1t and $h1t is $h1t in the end and you shouldn;t try to make it smell like flower.

My candidate smells like a human. A flawed and non-perfect human. Some things she does well and others she does poorly.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Welcome to the world of politics

That corrupted world only exists because of people as your self trying to justify the lesser evil.

If I tell you that is not true, would you believe me or have you convinced yourself of this already? Though I WAS and still am a Bernie supporter.

I'm not sure why you are having a hard time believing that I believe you when you say you were a Bernie Supporter? Would it help if I told you that I was one too

Preaching to the choir here, but that is a discussion that should have been undertaken before there were only two choices to choose from for President.

honestly I think now is one of the best time, since we have two almost equal pieces of Cr@p running for office. The oligarchy and congress will keep either one of them under control so we really don't have much to lose between them. Nor do we really have control who they end up selecting anyways. In your case you have less to lose because because Hillary is the anointed one for 2016.

My candidate smells like a human. A flawed and non-perfect human. Some things she does well and others she does poorly.

A human covered in $h1t. Sorry but the lies and actions she has done is not someone I would consider giving the benefit of the doubt or 5th chances. Trump as well

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
That corrupted world only exists because of people as your self trying to justify the lesser evil.

Lol. The corrupted world exists because money is a very powerful corrupting force. It has nothing to do with me being a useful idiot or not.

honestly I think now is one of the best time, since we have two almost equal pieces of Cr@p running for office. The oligarchy and congress will keep either one of them under control so we really don't have much to lose between them. Nor do we really have control who they end up selecting anyways. In your case you have less to lose because because Hillary is the anointed one for 2016.

We should have had the conversation when Bernie was still running... Or before Trump ridiculed all the people running against him until they left the race.

A human covered in $h1t. Sorry but the lies and actions she has done is not someone I would consider giving the benefit of the doubt or 5th chances. Trump as well

Well one of them has to get another chance. You can abstain from voting, but after Nov 8th, one of those two people will be the President. Trust me I spent the majority of my time on ATS during the 2012 election whining about this very thing. It goes no where, everyone will STILL vote for the lesser of two evils despite complaining about it and we'll all forget about this for another 4 years.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Is Petraeus still serving? Is he in line to become the next President? Does he still have clearance? Or did he step aside?

If Petraeus decides he wants to become Commander in Chief I will call for his prosecution too, sound fair?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

He had to step down as CIA director, but he was ultimately only charged with a misdemeanor. Though Comey disagrees with that and thinks his charge should have been much worse.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

He had to step down as CIA director, but he was ultimately only charged with a misdemeanor. Though Comey disagrees with that and thinks his charge should have been much worse.

It was not worse because he stepped down. Clinton should do the same. And when she does retire from politics for the rest of her life I am fine with the slap on her wrist too.

Otherwise it's apples and oranges .. Petraeus took a plea and had to step down. Clinton got away with it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The corrupted world exists because money is a very powerful corrupting force. It

Obviously , but siding with a corrupted individual is certainly a factor as well.

We should have had the conversation when Bernie was still running

We likely did.

The conversation we should probably be having now that would be more worthwhile for the long term is protesting the DNC on how Hillary can be a the best the DNC can provide after the following has been proven.

1. She is a proven liar and has traits of a habitual liar.

2. She has proven incompetent to handle critical sensitive information as a gov't official.

3. She has proven herself and her family to be unethical by having her husband meet with the Attorney General while under a criminal investigation about her was going on.

4. She has a lackluster career in politics when it comes to the regular every day people.

5. She has numerous conflict of interest that are not in the best interest of the people , she is suppose to represent.

after Nov 8th, one of those two people will be the President

No doubt, but I will go even one step further and tell you that Hillary will be the POTUS.

It goes no where, everyone will STILL vote for the lesser of two evils despite complaining about it and we'll all forget about this for another 4 years.

Thats because the cycle doesn't change. People continue picking sides over logic and not stand up together to call a piece of $h1t piece of $h1t.

Republican and Democrats should be standing by each other especially this year and protesting towards the DNC and the GOP.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Obviously , but siding with a corrupted individual is certainly a factor as well.

Who should I side with then?

We likely did.

The conversation we should probably be having now that would be more worthwhile for the long term is protesting the DNC on how Hillary can be a the best the DNC can provide after the following has been proven.

1. She is a proven liar and has traits of a habitual liar.

2. She has proven incompetent to handle critical sensitive information as a gov't official.

3. She has proven herself and her family to be unethical by having her husband meet with the Attorney General while under a criminal investigation about her was going on.

4. She has a lackluster career in politics when it comes to the regular every day people.

5. She has numerous conflict of interest that are not in the best interest of the people , she is suppose to represent.

I'd just be happy with Wasserman Schultz stepping down which I think she is going to do now.

No doubt, but I will go even one step further and tell you that Hillary will be the POTUS.

Well yea. Trump doesn't stand a chance against her, but I have a feeling you are saying this because you are alluding to the system being rigged.

Thats because the cycle doesn't change. People continue picking sides over logic and not stand up together to call a piece of $h1t piece of $h1t.

Republican and Democrats should be standing by each other especially this year and protesting towards the DNC and the GOP.

Just look at Congress. Congress is a grand example of how politics never change. It has one of the lowest approval ratings EVER and still most of the incumbents will be releected on Nov 8th. # the Presidency, the real problem is with Congressional seats and them never rolling over.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If you want to look at it that simply. Fine. Just know that Comey, the guy who carried out these investigations, disagrees completely with you.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If you want to look at it that simply. Fine. Just know that Comey, the guy who carried out these investigations, disagrees completely with you.

That's your opinion. Him saying Petraeus was worse so his punishment was worse .. and it ended up being light .. is meaningless when Hillary has NO punishment. At no point did he say Hillary should get off scot-free, he said it should not be criminal. He said Petraeus was forced to admit guilt as part of a plea to get that slap on the wrist. Following the logic so should Hillary, and her slap should be lighter than his.

Sorry I busted a hole in your post.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Who should I side with then?

Honestly in this election more than ever it really doesn't matter who you pick, despite me actually thinking that Trump would be the slightly better choice between them two. However, that is another debate.

This is the best time to try to break the cycle and try something different instead of having a Democrat prove his $h1t smells less than the republican $h1t and vice versa.

For example have republicans and democrats joining forces to protest DC ,the GOP, and the DNC and demand that the GOP, DNC only focus on the number 1 and real issue we have.

We should unite to demand that the GOP and the DNC only focus and discuss the following issues that is giving us the crap candidates and corruption we are getting:

1. Congregational term limits

2. campaign financing reform.

3. Lobbying reform

4. doing away with super-pacs

5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector

6. Transparency