Hillary Clinton Unveils Debt-Free College For All, Adopting Major Bernie Sanders Plank

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Just another campaign trick to attract Sanders voters.

Hillary has no intention of actually doing this.

Why?

Because she fails to outline the details of how to do it and how to actually pay for it.
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'd guess you're correct as to HRC pivoting toward some of the Sanders positions.

Funny thing heard yesterday was a commentator stating the HRC is the Republican in the race. While that's obviously not really true, it points up the fact that HRC is a centrist Democrat and not all that liberal on fiscal and foreign policy issues.

From what I read HRC is courting the Sanders crowd out of concern they'll either stay home, or worse move to the Trump camp. Personally I think that fear is over blown; its got to be the fact that the Sanders types harbor far more animus toward Trump and his supporters than they do HRC and as well, I'd guess that the female Sanders supporters will want to vote for the first female president.

Of course there is the rather obvious problem with HRC's free college proposal..........she couldn't do it as President; she'd have to get Congress to pass some legislation in order to do it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Soo she is going to screw the tax payer more transferring the burden of the cost of college in this nation on the working class, just like Obamacare.

Yes, she is full of crap after all what else can you expect.

Is never going to happen, socialism in America only work to support the welfare class, the rest of the working class needs to be exploited by the profiteers and nobody will reap profits with free tuition.

In the US for profits colleges has gained a big boost, most of the students attending colleges hold debt from college tuition many for the rest of their working life

To say that she will have debt free college tuition is like Listening to Obama plan of free health care for all, and we all know the result of that idea.

So if she is president the same way that Obama entire presidential terms only show a crappy health care reform as the legacy of his term that is what we will be seen under Hillary a crappy promise ending of screwing the nations tax payer more, and college tuition like the Obamacare will not be free.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Of course there is the rather obvious problem with HRC's free college proposal..........she couldn't do it as President; she'd have to get Congress to pass some legislation in order to do it.

With the way politics work these days. This will be a MAJOR problem for any President and his/her agenda.

Hillary is going to promise everyone everything just to get elected. Then...sounds of crickets chirping...nothing
Just another Clintoon power grab

So hillary makes a claim of supporting something, this time debt free college education.

But hilley is consistent at one thing, flipping back and forth, remember #WhichHillary?

Hows that TPP thing going, the one she was for then against, the one her delegates would not oppose?

#NeverHillary

NOTHING is ever for free. Somewhere somehow the we will end up paying for this. Just like the saying goes, if something is to good too be true.......

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Debt free. Not free. Free college would put bigger tax burdens on the government. Hillary's plan is affordable college so students graduate debt free.

You've got that right. Hillary will also WAIVE the outstanding loans that millions of students and former students are now paying off. If I were them, I'd stop repaying the loan NOW, in anticipation of sharing my debt with all U.S. taxpayers.

Hillary learned quickly from the FBI, didn't she? Waive, forgive and forget!

So many problems with this plan!
Where to start?...
Free things always suck in my experience.
Free government things suck even more and always have strings attached.
Obama care for example. Free for some a nightmare for the rest.

That's the last thing our nation needs is more people educated by the government. Common core is a mess and this would be a thousand times worse. These poor kids have no earthly idea why they are taught things like history and English other than to regurgitate the information out onto a test that determines how much federal funding the school receives.

How is the Bernie/Hillary system of college education going to fix anything?
By giving economically worthless degrees to a bunch of people who had no business going to collage in the first place?

Sorry boys and girls but in the real world not every human has the mental capacity to be in a STEM field or a high ranking business man/woman. IQ and mental acuity is determined by numerous factors at birth and early development and can't be changed. Some people just aren't college material. Simple as that... The education system will always shift to suit the needs the lowest common denominator of acuity. In this case the ignorant masses that consider drinking and football a national past-time and education as a means to get rich.

There is a finite amount of jobs in the job market yet a never ending supply of educated(if you can call it that) applicants. The idea of government subsidized education should offend people. It's basically saying 12 years of school wasn't enough and you need more government programming... I mean education.

All academic information should be open source on the internet. Not held by lock and key by the academic world and most definitely not held by the government. Aaron Swartz was a true champion of education sadly most have never heard of this brave individual that fought the academic system and it cost him his life.

On January 6, 2011, Swartz was arrested by MIT police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet, and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT.

The government is cracking down on information. No need to burn books when you can just lock the information away in some server. Humanity as a whole should be concerned when the leading authority entity in the land wants to educate us...

Free? How about regulate? The fact that the average cost of a year of private college is 30k, which is what we all want or and avg of 12k for a public school. That is more in one year that most grads will make the first year out. Some will cost you over 60k a year.

This is a good article on it.

www.forbes.com...

at an average of 4-6% per year you are looking at the average cost of a elite college would be 330k for a 4 year degree.

It is not about free. The cost is not changing. It needs to be regulated. To me this is the next Obamacare that will tax the hell out of us and no one but those they want to indoctrinate will benefit.

This is a clear play to Sanders voters...she is a pathetic fart.....

Next... We'll be looking down the barrel of "Hillary Care".

Manditory college for all.

If you don't like your college, you can keep it.

It'll be inexpensive.... From the backs of those who already had and paid for their own college.

When it all comes about, no one will be able to afford college.

(Change college to health insurance and all will be clear)

originally posted by: thinline
Are you trying to tell ATS, that only ONE kid out of 1800 got a free ride in your high school?

I went to a small private high school, our cutoff to remain in the school translated to getting a 95% in public school. In a year where our state had something like 25 people with perfect scores on the ACT 6 (if I remember right) went to my school. I sat next to them in classes. Our school was known for taking only the top 1% of students.

Despite that, out of my 110ish person class only 3 got full rides for college, one of those was a military commission, and another was a sports scholarship for a guy who later went pro.

The vast majority of people do not get free rides. Furthermore, the lower priced your University is, the more likely they are to practice grade deflation rather than inflation. Lower priced universities have no problem failing people while the schools like Harvard simply don't do so which means if you don't have money it becomes much harder to actually secure a merit based scholarship while you're in school.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

In order to do this, she'll have to raise taxes.

So the government will take even more money.

We have become a socialist nanny-state.

originally posted by: TonyS
Funny thing heard yesterday was a commentator stating the HRC is the Republican in the race. While that's obviously not really true, it points up the fact that HRC is a centrist Democrat and not all that liberal on fiscal and foreign policy issues.

Hillary is center/right, just as Obama was, just as W was, just as Clinton was, just as Bush Sr was, just as Reagan was. The same political ideology has been in control since Jimmy Carter left office. Hillary is more of the same, Trump wouldn't be all that different either if you go by his historical statements rather than his current campaign rhetoric.

Of course there is the rather obvious problem with HRC's free college proposal..........she couldn't do it as President; she'd have to get Congress to pass some legislation in order to do it.

Sure she could, the budget for it could be outlined in the annual budget and approved through Congress. No special legislation required.

I just want to add, there is over a billion dollars that goes unused for college grants and scholarships.

This is just another damned excuse to raise taxes.

originally posted by: marg6043
Soo she is going to screw the tax payer more transferring the burden of the cost of college in this nation on the working class, just like Obamacare.

It's already on the working class/tax payer. Who do you think pays back student loans? The only difference is she's saying there shouldn't be high individual debt.

originally posted by: JAY1980
Sorry boys and girls but in the real world not every human has the mental capacity to be in a STEM field or a high ranking business man/woman. IQ and mental acuity is determined by numerous factors at birth and early development and can't be changed. Some people just aren't college material.

Yes they do. IQ does not determine your ability to succeed in college. Take it from someone with a high IQ, it's a measurement of how quickly you learn, not a measurement of the cap on what you can learn. Someone with an IQ of 90 can be very successful in their field and even get a doctorate, many have.

Everyone has the ability to be successful in a STEM degree with the right teachers, or given enough time, if they're willing to put in the effort. But putting that aside, not everyone can or should be in a STEM program. Society also needs college educated artists, historians, writers, and so on. We also need professionally trained machinists, plumbers, pipe fitters, boilermakers, welders, metal workers, etc...

All of these skills involve some college learning (or should) and going heavy into debt to learn a skill is a bad idea. Society is much better off when there aren't financial pressures preventing them from the job they want. Someone who wants to be a 3d artist who is currently a truck driver shouldn't be prevented from doing so just because they can't afford to go $60k into debt.

If you've ever taken anything away from my posts in the past it's probably that I place a very high value on having polymaths in society and our debt based university system prevents a lot of people from becoming polymaths and instead creates specialists. This limits our creativity and ability.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

In order to do this, she'll have to raise taxes.

So the government will take even more money.

We have become a socialist nanny-state.

Actually, it lowers taxes over time. Having a better educated work force leads to a higher median income, which in turn leads to more tax revenue raised, which means a lower rate is needed to fund the government. You won't see the decrease in taxes because it takes time for people to get educated and pay back into the system but 50 years from now debt free college will result in lower taxes than the people of that time would be paying if we don't do it.

a reply to: Aazadan

I enjoy your posts, they are often thoughtful and insightful.

But I have to ask, when has a government program that raises taxes, ever, EVER ended up with lower taxes?

And WHO exactly is going to pay for this?

Sounds like Obamacare. Do you know how much the rates have gone up on my employer health care plan since we have been forced to pay for insurance for everyone else in the country who does not pay? And it's not just us. Everyone I know with an employer plan says the same thing.

I paid my own way through college. I helped my son pay for his college, and now he is responsibly paying off the rest with his JOB.
I will be darned if I am going to start paying for strangers all over the country to go to college.