Starbucks Employees Petition Company To Stop Slashing Hours After Raising Wages

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Actually the CEO is very aware of the value of his employees. To the penny. He knows what they cost the company and what they bring to the company.

a reply to: Phage

Isn't overtime time and a half, something isn't right with the #ers.

a reply to: Phage

And apparently he doesn't value them very highly, meaning he doesn't understand their true value, only what he believes they should be valued at. Without them he would have no business meaning they should be the most valued part of the system, but they get paid like they're not worth that value.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't care what people make. People shouldn't care what I make.

But, apparently, people have made it their business to determine how much people should have.

By that logic you should have no problem with those at the bottom making the case that they should be paid a higher minimum.

originally posted by: Phage
I'm not against people making $15 an hour. Unless the job they do is worth $12.

As long as you concede that plumbers and mail carriers are extremely vital to society, any job on the planet can be done for $12/hour or less due to the difference in labor values. I can point to local companies that pay $17k/year while an identical job in San Francisco pays $200k/year.

Value is highly localized to what has to be paid in order for people to keep money flowing through the economy. The labor itself is worthless. Whatever it is you do, or possibly did if you're retired can be done by someone else for 1/10 the price. There is no inherent value in work but people still need to be paid for our economy to function.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

CEOs value the average worker like a cat values a mouse.

a reply to: seasonal

Those are the averages for the whole company, across the country. If higher paid employees work overtime it bumps the average.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And apparently he doesn't value them very highly, meaning he doesn't understand their true value, only what he believes they should be valued at.

No.

He knows how much the coffee beans cost.
He knows how much the equipment costs
He knows how much the lease rent for the store is.
He knows how much the electricity costs.
He knows how much the air conditioning costs.
He knows how much the insurance costs.
He knows how much payroll taxes cost.
He knows how much labor costs.
He knows how many customers there are and how many should be served in a hour.
He knows there are periods when there may not be customers and the employees aren't really doing much of anything.
And he knows what he can sell a cup of coffee for.

He knows the value of his employees.

a reply to: Aazadan

There is no inherent value in work but people still need to be paid for our economy to function.

Yes.
It also need profitable companies.

a reply to: Phage

Still don't see it, national average would be both for hourly and for overtime.

Average pay is lets say 9$ then average OT would be 13.50$. Right?

a reply to: Phage

So why doesn't he pay them what they should be valued at? Without them he would be bankrupt with no business. He obviously thinks he is more valuable with the amount of money he makes but without his employees he would have no value at all.

And just so you know, I don't disagree with him knowing their value, I just don't think he wants to pay them that value because of greed.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You seem to want your cake and to eat it too.

The only way to eat a cake is if you own it.

Eating cake you don't own is stealing.

a reply to: DBCowboy

But once you eat the cake you no longer have it anymore. You want to eat it and still have it afterwards, that's the meaning behind that saying.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Without them he would be bankrupt with no business.

If he didn't take the risk of bankruptcy, there would be no jobs.

He obviously thinks he is more valuable with the amount of money he makes but without his employees he would have no value at all.

And without him there would be no jobs at all.

a reply to: seasonal

Average pay is lets say 9$ then average OT would be 13.50$. Right?

Not if the average rate of those who work overtime is $11. It also depends on the number of overtime hours worked.

a reply to: Phage

So it should be a mutual balance, but it's not. CEO pay rising 1,000% vs employee pay only rising 10% shows there is no balance there.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DBCowboy

But once you eat the cake you no longer have it anymore. You want to eat it and still have it afterwards, that's the meaning behind that saying.

Then I buy another cake.

Really, it's a stupid saying.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Fine. You're jealous. I get it.

So take away all of the CEOs' wages and split it up amongst all the workers. Does that bring the minimum pay rate to $15? Does that make the company survive? I don't know the answer. Do you?

a reply to: Phage

I'm not jealous, I'm not sure why people keep saying that, I just see the damage such business practices are causing to other people.

I don't give a damn about having a million dollar home or sports cars to brag about, so I'm not jealous of anything he has. I'd burn those millions of dollars or just give it away to people who needed it. I'm not a shallow or materialistic person.

a reply to: Phage

And that's still better terms than most grocery stores offer. It's not what it used to be, but their union has resulted in them retaining that much.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'd burn those millions of dollars or just give it away to people who needed it.

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