On plan: Juno to reveal more of Jupiter on 4th of July

4rth of July. C'mon, they couldn't pick up more enigmatic date.

Read first - Full Article. There is video too.

So...

Every year our sun conjoins the star Sirius, at 13.5 degrees Cancer, during the first week in July; that is, as seen from the earth, the sun lies in front of Sirius which lies at the same celestial longitude as the astrological sign of Cancer in the sky. Astrologically, a conjunction is the strongest aspect celestial bodies can have.

The dog days of summer derive their name from the fact that the ancients associated the extreme heat of summer (in the northern hemisphere) with the magnanimous conjunction of our Sun and Sirius. That is, those who could conceptualize the geometry necessary to understand astronomy and celestial mechanics. It’s not every one’s cup of tea.

If there exists an actual guiding intelligence to Earth’s evolution, it most certainly can be associated with Sirius. And the United States, with its Sun conjunct Sirius, represents, therefore, the clearest channel for this extra-human agency to manifest its will, whatever that may be.

The article I used for the last quotes is useful, yet do not get the wrong idea that Sirius by itself is a big thing. Like everything else, he is just put on the right place where things happen. Like the guardian of the pub. He is just managing the dress code.

Let me get it to you with complication. Sirius and its binary fuzzy bee are nothing but a manifest of the place of importance. There is many cornerstones, the one at examination is the most feminine decan of the zodiac. This is the Waters of Waters - Binah of Beri'ah, a pivot-pillar to all structure orientated activities and conspiracies.

So Juno is going to Jupiter, and that relates to Sirius conjunction with the Sun how, exactly?

originally posted by: schuyler
So Juno is going to Jupiter, and that relates to Sirius conjunction with the Sun how, exactly?

On the 4th of July, the Juno probe has to begin a 35 minute orbital manoeuvre that takes it out of a slingshot orbit to Jupiter and into a stable orbit around Jupiter that goes as close as 3500km above the clouds.

This date coincides with Earth Sun and Sirius lining up. Astrologers call this "dog days" as it's a time of extreme tension due to the hot weather. For the scientists who have been on the project for years, it is going to be a tense time. Their baby is hundreds of millions of miles away from Earth.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: schuyler
So Juno is going to Jupiter, and that relates to Sirius conjunction with the Sun how, exactly?

On the 4th of July, the Juno probe has to begin a 35 minute orbital manoeuvre that takes it out of a slingshot orbit to Jupiter and into a stable orbit around Jupiter that goes as close as 3500km above the clouds.

This date coincides with Earth Sun and Sirius lining up. Astrologers call this "dog days" as it's a time of extreme tension due to the hot weather. For the scientists who have been on the project for years, it is going to be a tense time. Their baby is hundreds of millions of miles away from Earth.

Yes. I saw the vid. I understand the mechanics of it. Very cool. And I understand it's a big deal to the scientists involved. It's just that I kind of doubt they will be paying attention to Sirius' mythological relationship to the Sun and what Freemasonry has to say about it. I'm thinking astrological references and so on will probably be the furthest things from their minds. Thus the only relationship between OP's title and the 'substance' of her post is that of a date, July 4th, which has significance to a lot of people and mythological significance to a handful of people, and astrological significance to almost no one because it is not astrologically significant at all.

It's like pointing out that the Chevrolet Corvette's birthday is today and it was first born in 1953, so it is 63 years old, and this is within a couple of weeks of the Summer Solstice, so Oh, My God! Can you believe it?

a reply to: Lassiecat

the sun lies in front of Sirius

False.

Since Sirius is not on the ecliptic, quite far from it actually, the Sun can never "lie in front of" it.

Sirius is in Canis Major. The stars of Orion's belt sort of point to it. The curvy line represents the ecliptic, the path of the Sun.
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a reply to: Phage
Busted.

This thread is now about the cake.

I like the cake.

P.S. It is really peculiar how a thread about a scientific space mission, and with a perfectly reasonable title "On plan: Juno to reveal more of Jupiter on 4th of July", is purely about astrology, numerology, and some New Age-ist stuff about Sirius.

What gives?

(But then, it is ATS, so I guess we can expect the unexpected)

a reply to: Phage

I respect your accuracy Phage, yet I must remind you and the other part of ATS that astronomy and astrology respect two different plains of reality. For astronomers the observable is the credo. For astrologers the way is the credo. We are speaking of astrological alignment or so called conjunction, not astronomical. That is why I pointed even underlined the phrase - place of importance. Yes you are right in your 3D model the is no conjunction at all. But yet, you are wrong - in the way that astrologers calculate things, through the simplification of the Divine Whole in 2D a.k.a Zodiac, there is conjunction. So, you are free to keep your astronomical believes, just have in mind that astronomy is not astrology at all. And thank you for pointing it that way, so I have a reason to explain this misconception to all other readers.

For visual understanding of how astrology takes things - look at this

a reply to: wildespace

Please do not involve new-age in my topics. Just, please. I really get rash when hear this, as thanks to new-age mumbo-jumbo propaganda the serious occult sciences are now in desperate state of desolation. And one thing more, all top responsible guys in NASA are very well educated in astrology and numerology, nevermind it is kept very well hidden, for obvious reasons. Do you tell you geese they can fly over the fence, ofc. you don't.

a reply to: Lassiecat

So, you are free to keep your astronomical believes, just have in mind that astronomy is not astrology at all.

Right. Astronomy is a science. You have placed your thread in a science forum. It belongs in a superstition forum.

And one thing more, all top responsible guys in NASA are very well educated in astrology and numerology, nevermind it is kept very well hidden, for obvious reasons.

You are privy to this information, how?
Do their birth charts show it?

a reply to: Lassiecat

And one thing more, all top responsible guys in NASA are very well educated in astrology and numerology, nevermind it is kept very well hidden, for obvious reasons.

And those reasons are they know that numerology is silly, and astrology has nothing to do with them.

Do you tell you geese they can fly over the fence, ofc. you don't.

And you know this how?

And don't be silly Geese do not need to be told...they already know.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lassiecat

You are privy to this information, how?

There is a method, a very popular one. Scientists do it mostly when they want to find the answer of something unknown. Its called research. If you expect me to forward all my research, which led me to this idea, please donate me the necessary to writhe the darn book about it, and I'll send you a free copy.

And why not to put a topic like this in space exploration forum, am I insulting somebody's intelligence with my "unscientific" rant, or is about your private disagreement with me? I tried to be respectful to your post, why you start biting?

a reply to: Lassiecat

Scientists do it mostly when they want to find the answer of something unknown. Its called research.

Astrology is not scientific research.

And why not to put a topic like this in space exploration forum, am I insulting somebody's intelligence with my "unscientific" rant, or is about your private disagreement with me? I tried to be respectful to your post, why you start biting?

Because your thread is exclusively about astrology. It has nothing to do with the Juno probe. It belongs in a superstition forum. The thing is, in science forums it is expected that someone provide evidence to support their claims.

And those reasons are they know that numerology is silly, and astrology has nothing to do with them.

Those tow are different methods deriving from the same Art. No matter how we try to work with reality, no matter what method using to understand it - reality is truth. Reality is solely one.

And you know this how?

I already answered this in my reply to Phage.

a reply to: Phage

The main article is solely about Juno, there is full science there. It was necessary to elaborate it however with a second article, which provides a view over the possible importance for the forefathers of US about this 4th July date. Then I explain a bit more detail so the usual reader of this thread does not get some misconceptions from the second article. You might very well see that after this, I withhold my further opinions and conclusions. I could've very easily start to speculate and force claims in unscientific manner, yet I did not. Even, I tried to make sure that the disoriented reader would not jump to the second article firstly by mistake and get led away-away... so I made it very clear in the beginning, posted the main article link and forced you almost to read it first. if your memory can't go that back, scroll up and check my opening post, it is as it was back then, no edits made.

a reply to: Lassiecat

The main article is solely about Juno, there is full science there.

And yet, you cite not a word of it. Instead you cite superstitious nonsense.

That is, those who could conceptualize the geometry necessary to understand astronomy and celestial mechanics. It’s not every one’s cup of tea.

Astronomy demonstrates that the Sun is not in front of Sirius.

a reply to: Phage

The video is ten times better, than the text inside. I made my best to lead people first there. I wound not cry if they would've closed this thread, after clicking and watching the vid.

originally posted by: Phage

That is, those who could conceptualize the geometry necessary to understand astronomy and celestial mechanics. It’s not every one’s cup of tea.

Astronomy demonstrates that the Sun is not in front of Sirius.

I've already said, that the way the second article deals with the things is not 100% accurate, yet it is helpful for the info I want to bring out for consideration. Nothing online is 100% accurate. If it was so, we could very easily copy-paste it and bring enlightenment to the world, or at least to some ATS readers. If you continue to catch me "for the words" you would probably win a debate, as a debate. But would you bring more truth out with that, or just keep the keyboard symbols rolling? If it's the former - go forward, but there is always chance to be the latter also.

a reply to: Lassiecat

The closest truth you have provided is that summer is called the "dog days" because Sirius becomes visible just before sunrise, later in the month.

Oh, and that the Juno probe will be entering an orbit around Jupiter soon.

a reply to: Phage

Your subjective understanding of truth, no matter how great a human intelligence(yours in this case) can be, could never be equal to objective truth. Objective truth is reality. If in your way of viewing reality some arts are excluded from the field of truth, then this is your subjective reality. But subjective reality is an illusion. If you claim that your subjective understanding are exact with the objective truth, then please educate us so we too see the light of things. Wound you be so kind?