How much should a woman trust a random man?

I believe women should go by the numbers. I find the following statistics to be shocking:

Estimates of the percentage of men who acknowledge committing rape and attempted rape have come from studies that ask questions about sexually violent behavior without labeling such behavior as “rape” or “assault.”

[Lowest estimate] 4.8% of men are rapists (Weiss & Zverina, 1999)

[Highest estimate] 10% of men are rapists (Rubenzahl & Corcoran, 1998)

RAPE FACT SHEET

What's my view on the matter? I used to tell my ex-wife not to be alone in a room with any man unless she knew him very well. She started dating before we got divorced and she told me she was raped in that time period. I pleaded with her for years to be extremely careful; my conscience is clear. In case anyone is wondering, I wanted to go after the perpetrator. My ex-wife claimed she didn't know who it was.

If I were a woman, I wouldn't trust any man until I knew him very well. I compare the statistics in the article linked to above to a casino game such as roulette. The house edge in a double-zero game of roulette is 5.26%. In that circumstance, if you keep playing roulette long enough, you'll eventually lose all your money no matter what. I see the position women are in as being essentially identical to that.

a reply to: Profusion

Yeah, you know...we've got testicles...so therefore, we're all rapists.

Rape has always been in the eye of the beholder.
Some cultures say they asked for it because of their clothes.
Sometimes consent is cloudy.
Sometimes consent is revoked.
Rape always was and will always be.

As to ex wives being raped even before the ink dries . . . . . . . .
No comment.

What?

So as a woman, I am supposed to be scared of every man that I don't know?

No.

I've had some very bad things happen to me. But I refuse to lump all men in the same boat.

a reply to: Profusion

Yes all men, if not taught otherwise, are just mindless sex robots who will abuse and harm any women with the misfortune of being there at any given time or place.

Look I'm not making light of rape in any way, a rapist is a rapist is a rapist. But scaring women into being afraid of every man they meet actually increases the chance of them being in a dangerous situation.

And I would ask in return, should all men fear being with a strange women alone, in case she tells people he raped her? ( see how ridiculous that sounds)

Being afraid all the time, prevents you from thinking for yourself and making proper decision and keeping your situational awareness high.

Also the studies are over 20 years old in some cases. I'd love to see some new data and also how they conducted these tests, their demographics etc.

~Tenth

About as much as a man should trust a random woman.



Seriously ATS, what crazy Mandela effect alt universe am I in?

I'm afraid of being alone with any child. I'm afraid to even talk to a child I don't know. Why? Because the chances of being accused of some sort of aberrant behavior is too high. You are guilty until proven innocent just by being a living adult male.

a reply to: Profusion

Hmmmm. So by the most pessimistic figures in this study (and I don't think these studies are worth a damn but let's just say I'm giving this the benefit of the doubt for a moment) 90% of men are NOT rapists. You could probably tack on another 20% who were still lying and you'd still have 70% of men who are NOT rapists.

Now I suppose even a 10% chance of being raped is crappy odds but I can't even imagine myself as a potential rapist. I just don't think that way. I think most people would be just as likely to commit ANY crime as the average man would be to commit rape.

Conclusion - IMO, the whole issue of rape is overblown. I'm not blaming men and I'm not blaming women. I'm blaming agendas.

a reply to: Profusion

How much should a woman trust a random man?

The same amount a random man should trust a random woman, or a random woman trust a random woman, or a random man trust a random man. Some people are good. Some are bad. Everyone has a chance to ruin your life or harm you in some ways. This thread is treading a fine line into misandry and that is a label that I don't use often.

originally posted by: schuyler
I'm afraid of being alone with any child. I'm afraid to even talk to a child I don't know. Why? Because the chances of being accused of some sort of aberrant behavior is too high. You are guilty until proven innocent just by being a living adult male.

True that.

I'm sure this isn't the kind of thing I want to teach my little girl.

People who prey on others are everywhere. Because of that I intend to teach my kids how to defend themselves effectively, how to maintain situational awareness, and when to run away. But I will not teach them to fear everyone they meet. That is a good way to ruin a future healthy adult with meaningful relationships.

a reply to: nullafides

That's a red herring. You didn't answer the question.

originally posted by: samkent
Some cultures say they asked for it because of their clothes.

Using the appeal to tradition logical fallacy concerning that? How low can you get? You didn't answer the question.

a reply to: chiefsmom

You gave a bunch of red herrings. You didn't answer the question.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Profusion
But scaring women into being afraid of every man they meet actually increases the chance of them being in a dangerous situation.

I have been scared by knowledge many times. But, I've always found that knowledge is power in the end. You didn't answer the question.

originally posted by: bknapple32
About as much as a man should trust a random woman.

Thank you for answering the question. I'm never concerned about being alone with a woman unless we're in bed together and sex is a possibility. And, there's the rub (no pun intended).

a reply to: schuyler

That's a red herring. You didn't answer the question.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Thank you for attempting to answer the question. I believe the universe is built on math (quantum physics confirms it). In my opinion, ignoring probabilities such as what you just said you would do is foolishness. We cannot escape the nature of the universe.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Profusion
This thread is treading a fine line into misandry and that is a label that I don't use often.

Making inferences from scientific studies is called "misandry"?

a reply to: projectvxn

You didn't answer the question.

a reply to: Profusion

You know what?

When you get born to this earth, no one asks you if you want to go there. No one takes your little baby soul aside and says:

"Look little dude or dudette, this thing that is about to happen to you, this life thing for which you are utterly unprepared at this point. I need to talk to you about it. Things are going to happen out there that you probably aren't going to like. You will spend approximately three years at most getting your ass wiped for you, too small, weak, or unaware to get the simplest tasks done for your self. When that period is over, there will follow daily trips to indoctrination centres, where other little boys and girls are going to make you wish you had never been born, and then, if you are really lucky, you get to go home to your family who love you, who will do their best to convince you to go back again and again. You have to be pretty lucky to get a loving family, a whole, healthy, well adjusted family, because God knows there are some utter fruit loops walking around that Earth place. After this period of your life, unbelievably, things go from bad to worse...

What I am saying is that although there is much to experience and learn, although there is much to find joy in, while living the life of a human being, you have to be pretty bloody lucky to avoid the sort of horrors that even them downstairs would shy away from...what I am asking you is, are you sure you want to go through with this?"

There is no training, no pep talk, no instruction manual one gets to read before getting born. I think most souls, even clueless ones, if told what the possibilities were before entering into life as we know it, would elect to find some other hobby. Implanted into a mortal being who for all I know might be tortured, raped, shot, stabbed, or worse? No bloody thank you, they would say.

However, for all that this might be the case, we are here, we humans, and we owe it to one another to bring up our children right. To teach them about right and wrong, about fairness, about keeping their hands to themselves unless the situation expressly requires otherwise, and learning the difference between these things. We also owe it to our children to ensure that these rapist guys, these power tripping deviants never get away with a god damn thing, not copping an uninvited feel at a concert, not the slightest overstep with a date in the back seat of the car, not even the tiniest impropriety, because apparently, when you give people an inch, they can take a bloody parsec in too many cases. Not all, not even the majority, but given that any is too many, measures need taking. Gentlemen, police your fellow males, ensure standards are maintained, with the fist, and the phone call. Accept nothing but gentlemanly conduct from those you know.

And let's see if we can't get an "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" sign erected on the inside of every womb, just so the little ones can brace themselves for the hell on earth we seem to create with every mad thing we do.

a reply to: Profusion

What's my view on the matter?

This was the only question you asked and it was rhetorical.

originally posted by: Profusion

If I were a woman, I wouldn't trust any man until I knew him very well.

There are lots of women around who no man would rape.

It really depends on the woman.

Blame God, for shaping each person so differently, in mind and body.

a reply to: Profusion

The answer is obviously no, because that's an insane and stupid position to take. Considering probably about 80% of all interactions people have outside of work or their homes are with complete strangers.

A 10% of ANYTHING Is a poor reason to make any decision.

~Tenth

a reply to: Profusion

With your logic 4.8% to 10% of men on ATS are rapists. I think women should use their best judgment, not by some numbers.


Just to edit the people of ATS(from what I've seen) are great folk so I can't agree.

originally posted by: Profusion
I believe women should go by the numbers. I find the following statistics to be shocking:

Estimates of the percentage of men who acknowledge committing rape and attempted rape have come from studies that ask questions about sexually violent behavior without labeling such behavior as “rape” or “assault.”

[Lowest estimate] 4.8% of men are rapists (Weiss & Zverina, 1999)

[Highest estimate] 10% of men are rapists (Rubenzahl & Corcoran, 1998)

RAPE FACT SHEET

I find those numbers to quite low, to be honest.

Most people , sober people, are good when it comes to this matter. If a woman or a man finds themselves in a situation with a member of the opposite sex that can end up doing them a lot of harm in the end............that says a lot about their social skills, their ability to read people and the level of blind trust they have.

Whether you're raped, blackmailed or otherwise screwed with in a very bad fashion (welcome to the world of aids kiddo)....remember.....nothing in your life happens without your participation. That may sound harsh, but it's true. Get down to the brass tacks of this with a woman who has been raped and a woman who has not and it boils down to one issue.......social awareness.

a reply to: AMPTAH

You have not one single clue, not even one, about the psychosexual malfunctions which cause rape. It's not about sex, and victimology does not support your assertion.

Rape is about power, and if a person desires power over another person, what that person looks like, in terms of their physical attractiveness, is largely irrelevant. Some rapists are looking to control a woman who reminds them subconsciously of an authority figure from their past, perhaps an abusive mother, aunt, grandmother, school teacher or what have you.

God damnit. With it being such a serious problem in today's world, I find it impossible to understand how someone could be so crass and ignorant as you just showed yourself to be in your post above... Honest to God, I do not know what the hell a person has to do to remain totally pig ignorant of these things in this Information Age. It's not as if this is new data. You don't have to be on social media to get wind of it. It's not bloody l33t speak.

originally posted by: Profusion
Making inferences from scientific studies is called "misandry"?

It is when you imply that women should be scared of all men based on those results. Plus I said it is treading a line between it. I'm not flat out calling this misandry, but you aren't far away from making that leap.