FSB raids 14 Scientology offices in Russia in money laundering probe

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Agreed, but the documentary had people willing to speak about the inner workings of the church which made it more compelling. Hubbard is kind of old news now that we have that creep Miscavige and his two bozos, Cruise and Travolta.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

One thing I disagreed with in Going Clear was the narrators position on whether Muscavige was a 'true believer' in Dianetic therapy.

I personally think that Miscavige had to know and believe in to some extent the great con of it all. He knows exactly what he's doing.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I agree with you on that. He seems way too manipulative and power hungry to believe he is doing anything positive and is no more than a diminutive huckster that can bully people.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You forgot "What are your crimes"

a reply to: one4all

Some prepare for the end only they will survive, others believe they will be spared the end by being removed from trouble, so go ahead and rape the planets natural resources, Gods going to destroy the earth anyway.

Either way corporations win. Consumers hoard material they don't need, others consume more than they need because they won't be here anyway. They'll all be spared because of divine protection, i.e., 'raptured'.

What about the nuclear stock plies of ICBMs. They're being stored in massive numbers to be used to defeat the aliens when they get here... lol

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I think a lot of scientologists believe that. Its a religion of self. Self help self betterment for selfish people. They can keep their wealth and be religious too.

Yah whatever Hubbard, woohoo, as long as I get to keep my riches.

a reply to: intrptr

What do you mean when they get here?

a reply to: intrptr

Wait a minute, who gets to keep their riches? Certainly you are not referring to the church members.

Do you have any idea how much the church gets for every movie Tom cruise does? Well... I don't know either, but I'm sure it has to be a lot because how else could they afford their own naval fleet, among other things?

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: intrptr

What do you mean when they get here?

That thing we confusedly call Judgment day...

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Wait a minute, who gets to keep their riches? Certainly you are not referring to the church members.

More like the hierarchy, they're rich enough that scientology fees don't rock their boat. They get to be cleared and stay rich. Have their cake and eat it too, sort of thing.

Whatever rich people that promote Scientology pay to belong, its a drop in their bucket.

I don't know about naval fleets, (chuckle), but they do have enormous investments in property and real estate round the world.

a reply to: intrptr

They have their own Navy, too. It's called Sea Org.

It was revealed in Going Clear that one of the main functions of Sea Org is to cater to the lavish lifestyle of Tom Cruise.

I think it was Marty Rathbun in going Clear that implicated Scientology for revenue made from Tom Cruise as being the biggest financier of Sea Org.

Did anyone notice that the raid was so much different than what it would have if the US Police did it?

No one ran in with weapons raised scaring the crap out of everyone.

It was all so polite!

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a reply to: pheonix358

Yea I did take notice to that minor detail. I'm not sure how different a raid in the states would be.

a reply to: JanAmosComenius

What has that got to do with anything I said?

And this has nothing to do with the US other than that group being based here.

Boy just couldn't wait to crap on the US even when the discussion has nothing to do with us...truly amazing.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

An interesting question would be, does Tom Cruise actually believe in Dianetic Therapy at this point?

I think he probably did in his early years in the church but I suspect today that he is also fully aware of the great con.

In fact, I have my suspicions that Cruise not only knows the church is a big Ponzi scheme, but he actually believes that he himself can hustle Miscavige into catering to his every request. Cruise probably thinks it's his religion now, with all the money they've made off of him.

Good for them. It is a joke that scientology is allowed to run this crap in the US tax free. That is how it works here i suppose, Scientology probably makes a few hefty donations to the Clinton Foundation each year and the IRS plays dumb in return.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I think both he and Travolta cannot be that stupid and duped at this point to actually believe all the bull. I think they probably have enough dirt on both of them where they need to continue the fraud and protect their careers.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Truthfully... I suspect that Miscavige had a hand in Travolta's son's death.

Reportedly, around that time his son died in a plane crash it had been rumored that Travolta was going to leave the church. And then right after that you had all of these allegations coming out from massage therapists around the country that Travolta had accosted them for gay sex. It just seemed way too coincidental.

So they know they're in it for life. Cruise, being the highest non administrative member in the church, probably thinks 'well since I'm in it for life I may as well get the best of them.' He's cocky like that.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

The rumors surrounding Travolta have been going on for some time but I do not think it is coincidental that they became a bit more pronounced around the times he was rumored to be leaving.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes the rumors about Travolta have been around for a while and I have a friend who is an ex-Scientologist of 20 years who tells me that it is pretty well known throughout the church that Travolta is bisexual. What makes the case of the massage therapists coming forward more concerning is the consistency and timing of them all. The language & wording in the reports point to NLP, a common tactic used by the church for insidious defamation.