AR-15's are NOT designed to kill

a reply to: Phage

What does it have to do with what you can buy?

Here is the Full Quotation.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

www.law.cornell.edu...

To begin with.

License,permits UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

As they violate this:

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

The background check violates the 14th as well.

Because failure to pass the state requirements denies EQUAL protection under the law.

Don't you want to repeal the 14th?

Should I ?

Interesting enough the 14th only seems to apply to illegal immigrants, and not gun owners.

I wonder WHY that is.

a reply to: neo96

License,permits UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

False.

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

That does not say you can buy or do anything you want.

Because failure to pass the state requirements denies EQUAL protection under the law.

Nope. Not if the same requirements apply to everyone in the state.

Interesting enough the 14th only seems to apply to illegal immigrants, and not gun owners.

It does? How does it only apply to illegal immigrants? What makes gun owners special?

a reply to: Phage

So WHAT part of this did you miss?

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,

Yeah...neither are ice picks, piano wire, branches from trees, belts, pillows, bath tubs, holes in the ground or blunt objects, yet man, in his deception and consequent evilness, will still strive to create weapons for his own ill sought vengeance.

Not designed to cut wood.

a reply to: neo96

So WHAT part of this did you miss?

None of it. I addressed it.

You know there are other parts of the Constitution though, right? That is something some people tend to forget.
Parts that say the federal government has the ultimate authority (over states) in law making. Parts that say the decisions of the Court are the ultimate authority in the interpretation of the law, which includes the Constitution.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: 00018GE

If that's true, why have AR-15's become popular hunting rifles?

They are not. No one around here would even consider going deer hunting with anything less than a 7MM, 308, 30-06 or some other seriously high power round. Your statement shows your ignorance of hunting firearms.

As stated, 223 is more a varmint round than anything else.

a reply to: 00018GE

A straw with a spitball is designed not to kill.

This argument has become the absolute stupidest # on Earth and I'm scum for adding one more word to it but...

You have to be a completely blind ass of a particular sort not to agree that the AR15 is a weapon that delivers the same ammunition as the very carefully selected M16, as fast as a person can pull the trigger ((hence the reports of Mateem's "jams")) and is in fact a #ing assault rifle.

Stop your Horse#.

Thanks.

a reply to: introvert

AR-15's become popular hunting rifles

As the OP says, you don't kill your prey, only wound it so it can hop or run into the bushes and die in agony. What a load of hogwash this article is........

a reply to: 00018GE

your mistaken, the designed not to kill but wound came from the Hague Convention, and the Geneva Conventions.
and is still legally binding today. that why the military uses FMJ, instead of hollow points.

the ammunition is designed not to kill, not the weapon.

and as far as the MSM not reporting this and playing it up as a killing weapon, here from CNN ( the communist news network one of the biggest if not worst propaganda machine out there next to msnbc), a article on it.

Well over 100 years ago there was a series of treaties between world governments called the Hague Convention, and the Geneva Convention, which are still abided by. Specifically to this subject, it became illegal for military forces to deliberately kill. Several types of weapons and ammunition became illegal to use. For rifle ammunition, expanding or hollow point ammo can not be used because it causes too much damage to the human body.
Myths of military full metal jacket ammunition.

AR-15's are NOT designed to kill: In substance, I can agree. The bullets that go flying out of them are another matter.

You've got:
•The .22 (when the weapon has been modified to shoot them).
This round's good for plinking tin cans and whatnot.
•The .223
This is your common AR-15 ammunition. The .223 chamber is slightly smaller (shorter) and tighter than the 5.56.
•The 5.56
This is MilSpec ammunition. 5.56 is generally loaded 'hotter' than .223 and develops higher chamber pressures.
Don't Just Take My Word For It

So, we've figured out it's not really the gun. It's about the ammunition. So what's so damn magical about the bullets that come out of the rifle.
•They're light. You can just about carry two-to-one in some cases.
•They're capable of attaining very high velocities.
•Some are designed to fragment on impact and that creates quite a mess.
•The round doesn't produce a lot of recoil in a well designed AR-15. Hence, one can shoot faster with greater accuracy.
•They used to tumble (and were very lethal as a result), but as accuracy became a more critical factor, the lethality of the round decreased. This isn't so much a feature of the bullet, as it is the barrel.
Don't Just Take My Word For It

With a little practice, one can become a deadly force indeed.

This very short video leaves little to the imagination. Consider a bubble of that size opening up on the inside of you.

I thought all guns were designed to kill.

They have hollow point and soft point ammo for AR15s if that is your only reason for starting this thread.

Even my 22 LR bolt action rifle is designed to kill. It is very dangerous, it could easily kill a deer.

Here's what I remember reading some years ago on the development of the 5.56 and the M16,

The reasons for going with the smaller round included less weight/more ammo being able to be carried. Greater capacity with smaller magazines, (less bulk), and yes, a less leathal round causing more wounds than deaths to either be "more humane" or to put additional foes out of action by needing to assist wounded.

What was found was the little bastards were quite devastating in actuall use though. The small lightweight bullet traveling at high velocities would tend to dump their energy on impact and begin to tumble erratically through tissues. Entry wounds in the leg were seen to tumble all the way to the chest cavity causing massive trauma. Death was common. And rather nasty.

A fix was to lower the powder charge to reduce velocity to limit this effect, but as an aside caused the guns to be prone to jams, as the gas pressures were reduced. The M16 quickly gained a bad rep among service personnel as being an unreliable piece of crap. The M14 and even M1s were preferred.

Eventually thing were sorted out, better ammo was produced, and the gun became one of the most successful platforms of all time.

So, in a way, yes they weren't designed to kill, but they kill quite well indeed. Much better than the popular Ak in 7.62x39. Which is why the Soviets addopted the 5.56 I would think.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: 00018GE
I get tired of hearing the news media talking heads saying that AR-15's are designed to kill. AR-15's and the like AND military rounds in general are designed to wound NOT kill. Wounding an enemy soldier takes more soldiers off the battlefield than killing enemy soldiers. These kinds of weapons are designed to wound. I don't understand why no one calls them on this more often.

Not only that, but the .223/5.56 is a varmint round, usually used for long range hunting of gophers and pests.


iTruthSeeker

That is a very unusual statement. I served in the mid east. My primary weapons were the m16a2 and m16a4. The few times that I fired them at the enemy, they most certainly never stood back up again, EVER. Firing either of these at an unprotected individual, and striking them center mass or above normally results in a fatal wound.
They are designed for killing.
They do the job well.

a reply to: Snarl

For Christ's sake, Man, we have to take the battlefield ammo out of the picture for civilians.

(then rapiers)



Thanks for the post.

and as far as the .223 being a popular hunting round it is. it is illegal to use FMJ for hunting, i'm pretty sure it is in all states. haven't been in hunting in many years, but when i use to it was illegal.

originally posted by: 00018GE
I get tired of hearing the news media talking heads saying that AR-15's are designed to kill. AR-15's and the like AND military rounds in general are designed to wound NOT kill. Wounding an enemy soldier takes more soldiers off the battlefield than killing enemy soldiers. These kinds of weapons are designed to wound. I don't understand why no one calls them on this more often.

Whoa. That's some frightening stuff there. The logic, I mean.

nm

originally posted by: Bybyots
For Christ's sake, Man, we have to take the battlefield ammo out of the picture for civilians.

My hunting ammunition is far more lethal. If you saw what I can do with long-range target ammunition, you'd keep your AR-15 at home next to your nightstand where it belongs. It's all relative.

Shooting up a hundred people requires crazy. You can't fix crazy.