Dems stage sit-in on House floor to push for gun vote

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

You reduce the violence by fixing society, not by depriving people of their rights and subjecting them to tyranny.

Do you know that Venezuela is a wonderful gun free utopia? It's violence rate far, far eclipses ours.

You fix the people by fixing the society and that involves investigating why we are empty, selfish and immoral.Why do people have so little regard for their fellow humans that they will kill them?

Far be it from me to suggest that maybe the degenerate anything goes, feel good orgy of materialistic hedonism we've been self-indulging in has anything to do with it, but well, maybe we should start there.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I don't think we have to try if you go over the logic.

The injustices done every day particularly to the working poor, the destitute, and the lower middle class are enough to fully focus our attention on.

Number one is education. And it isn't about fancy stuff or gleaming schools it's about exposing kids to what the human achievements have done, teaching them to critically think and socialize appropriately with their peers, and have a sense of self worth.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I would rather do nothing that do something unconstitutional. Life is risk. Who ever said we should live in a bubble? Doing something bad, knowing it is bad, is exponentially worse that doing nothing in this case. Answer me this, when was the last law you remember being repealed? See, once a law is on the books, it tends to stay there....forever.

I would like to know if anyone on ats who supports banning US citizens on terrorist watch list from being able to get a gun also support putting those same people on house arrest until they can get removed from the list/charged with a crime?

Hm. Everybody is responding to me, and I'm off to have a cocktail. I did, however, edit my earlier post, for a slight response. I didn't mean to be quite so provocative, but this is one of those topics.

Gulag! lol. Ah, I love Russian literature. I have a library of it.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

If there is enough specific and actual evidence examined by law enforcement and a judge like a warrant then we could make an exception philosophically speaking on a temporary review basis in terms of treason or foreign attack

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I guess it has come to the old, "if you cannot debate the message, debase the messenger". Enjoy your cocktail. Doing that is a lot more dangerous to your life than being killed by a gun tonight.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Our violent crime stats and homicide rate tell a different story. We actually live in a much safer society than we did previously and violent crime and homicide stats have been going down for quite some time.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Meant No offense. It's ok we disagree. I meant no disrespect.

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog
I would like to know if anyone on ats who supports banning US citizens on terrorist watch list from being able to get a gun also support putting those same people on house arrest until they can get removed from the list/charged with a crime?

If you are stuck in your house ... how do you prove your innocence?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

1. I am not a dog.

2. There is no IF I support the second.

That's a fact.

Any person.

Black,white,man or woman, rich or poor.

So how about stop TROLLING.

What was ACTUALLY SAID.

That got turned in to this absolute SNIP.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Congratulations ATS.

You have finally ran me off.

Absolutely no point in posting.

a reply to: luthier

But, that is adding due process to the condition of being put on the list. So, it is constitutionally OK. I fail to understand your line of thought here. Could you elaborate a bit more please?

Thanks

a reply to: Krakatoa

It doesn't seem like your failing to understand. Thats exactly what I am saying.

We can create this type of thing and it still uses our philosophical principle if we use due process. I mean focusing on the fact that people for different reasons are committing "terrorism". Whether it's a white kid in a grade school, a black teenager gang member, or a foreign terrorist there is a trend happening that needs to be addressed in many different ways.

Focusing on guns is rediculous.

PS I am sorry if I didn't include your creed in the criminal section. It wasn't racist intentionally.

a reply to: luthier

But, that was in one of the amendments to the bills yesterday. And, it was voted down by the Democrats because it would take too long and was not expedient enough.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I know. It sucks

I m a Rand Paul guy just as a reference. Kind of holding my nose. I am more a Gary Johnson guy. Ron Paul. Hell even Dennis Kacinich had reasonable arguements.

My point is we can make fun of this point of view in conversation but let's not start saying people don't have a right to protest. Especially when there are large numbers behind them.

What we need to do redirect the conversation to helping the poor have a better social function and education, clean up law enforcement and judicial corruption and all the stuff that allows things like organized crime to flourish.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Wouldn't the Orlando shooter of been able to get a gun since he was taken off the list and was off the list when he bought the gun? So it would be true that under Feinstein's bill and all the other bills he would of still got the gun because he was taken off the list unless I'm missing something because the article you posted doesn't describe how her bill would of stopped someone who has been taken off the list from getting a gun. Do you know if Feinstein's bill flags everyone who buys a weapon even after they were investigated by the FBI/removed from the list and force them to prove they are innocent all over again (even though they have cleared and taken off the list)? Maybe I'm missing something and you can correct me.

a reply to: introvert

Why would Muslims have 2nd amendment rights?

The majority of Muslims do not live in America, the majority of Muslims are not American citizens.

Maybe you should be more specific, like Muslim Americans?

a reply to: ketsuko

The same way suspected criminals who are out on bail and put on house arrest (I believe that would the term but it's when the person isnt' allowed to leave with out permission and forced to wear an Ankle monitor while on bail) would in the courts and also meetings with investigators (in the case). I don't support doing this but I'm wondering if people who support these new bills also support house arrest.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

It wouldn't have. In fact that was debated on the floor. It's just something she said.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

I don't support the bills but I support if you have been investigated by law enforcement and a judge signs off on it detaining a person. Actually it's more complicated even then that for instance you also need a warrant from a judge to spy on the guy to begin with.