Lost in all the equality for gay people is this notion...

Some info for people
www.child-encyclopedia.com...
my.vanderbilt.edu...

A heterosexual financialy secure and healthy-minded couple are the best pick for parents. However, there are a lot of bad and dysfunctional hetereosexual couples out there.

The type of people that feed their kid candy, junk food, and fast food. Constantly argue and have low intelligence.

There are also a lot of children who just need DECENT parents. Great parents are hard to come by. Homosexuals may not be the perfect suite for parents, but I'm sure they can be at least DECENT.

And being DECENT parents is A LOT more than I can say with some of the parents I have met.

I would bet that being bad parents would do far more harm than homosexual parents during a child's crucial 0-8 ages.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

I was talking to my daughters tonight about the whole BREXIT thing becaused they asked how i was going to vote tomorrow. I know this topic isn't about BREXIT, but my point is the same as my point for both your topic and the EU issue.

They said that if they could vote, they thought they may leave. I asked why. They said one of the reasons was because they were worried about a few things, one of which was paedophiles from other countries coming over and we couldn't do anything about it. They had heard this from thier friends and other adults.

As i told them.....and as i am sayng for the question as to whether or not gays should be allowed to bring up kids....i worked in residential childrens care for near on 8 years. I looked after boys from 9-16 years old. Most had suffered some kind of abuse, mostly sexual, physical and a lot of neglect. Hundreds of boys, from hundreds of abusive parents.

Not one...not a single one of those abusive parents was either gay....or funnily enough....an illegal imigrant.

The few gay couples that i know have kids, would propabaly put me to shame in the parenting game...and i consider myself to be a bloody good dad!

So when i hear opinions on gays bringing up kids, i just smile. The opinion maker has probably never made the effort to look into the subject, or maybe even has a gay friend. I certainly haven't ever seen a gay couple forcing anything onto thier child.

CX.

My Aunt raised a daughter together with her partner, and she turned out alright. One of the interesting aspects of the gay community is that, because of the strife and stress of being a homosexual, they tend to be very supportive of each other and that seems to go double for their kids. I've never seen more attentive and supportive parents.

There is also a considerable difference in the way gays view heterosexuals vs the other way around. There are plenty of anti-gay heterosexuals, but gays don't go around trying to insinuate that heterosexuals are abnormal or that being gay is the right and proper way to be, so gay couples don't try to "assimilate" their children into one sexuality or another. I've always been confused when I hear the term "gay agenda," like the gays are trying to spread gayness around until they're the majority. They want to be viewed as normal, not the norm.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

I don't see much problem with gays raising children. I grew up with a kid that had two moms. Granted he was a bit of a sissy until me and the guys roughed him up a bit ad gave him a hard time about his moms. Well I was a teenage jerk what do yall expect? Anyways he turned out good, has his own kids now last I heard. Tough as nails too!

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: imod02
a reply to: Hazardous1408
Parents always influnce there children.

That's a lie.

Good day.

What??

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

The fact remains that in order for there to be a child born it requires sperm and an egg. You can not get both from the same gender for a reason. Men do not produce eggs and women do not produce sperm.

Stem cell research has already created sperm and eggs from skin samples. Researchers are claiming that in two years time it will be possible for infertile heterosexuals and same sex couples to have children.

Biological Same-Sex Parent Babies Could Be a Reality by 2017

The remainder of your OP is based on ignorance.

The scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has been consistent in showing that lesbian and gay parents are as fit and capable as heterosexual parents, and their children are as psychologically healthy and well-adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents, despite the reality that considerable legal discrimination and inequity remain significant challenges for these families. Major associations of mental health professionals in the U.S., Canada, and Australia, have not identified credible empirical research that suggests otherwise

a reply to: Metallicus

Considering the number of dysfunctional heterosexual couples in the world to day I don't think it is necessarily worse that their parents would be gay. As long as a child receives the love and support they need they will thrive.

Scientific research mirrors your view.

Since the 1970s, it has become increasingly clear that it is family processes (such as the quality of parenting, the psychosocial well-being of parents, the quality of and satisfaction with relationships within the family, and the level of co-operation and harmony between parents) that contribute to determining children's well-being and outcomes, rather than family structures, per se, such as the number, gender, sexuality and co-habitation status of parents. Since the end of the 1980s, as a result, it has been well established that children and adolescents can adjust just as well in non-traditional settings as in traditional settings

Wikipedia

a reply to: BO XIAN

And, I'm aware of some evidently reasonably well done studies that document that a significantly higher percentage of boys from gay parents turn out gay than from heterosexual parents regardless of the wails to the contrary from the gay political establishment etc. etc. etc.

Relatively few studies have directly examined gay fathers, but those that exist find that gay men are similarly fit and able parents, as compared to heterosexual men. Available empirical data do not provide a basis for assuming gay men are unsuited for parenthood. If gay parents were inherently unfit, even small studies with convenience samples would readily detect it. This has not been the case. Being raised by a single father does not appear to inherently disadvantage children's psychological well-being more than being raised by a single mother. Homosexuality does not constitute a pathology or deficit, and there is no theoretical reason to expect gay fathers to cause harm to their children. Thus, although more research is needed, available data place the burden of empirical proof on those who argue that having a gay father is harmful.

If your claims are true then surely it would have been picked up and reported. Can you explain why your overall view differs from the consensus of opinion amongst psychologists and sociologists inside and outside the US?

a reply to: Morrad

Why?

Full court press political processes and propaganda.

And sham research.

As demonstrated by the first several crews of homosexual researchers for the first 10 or so years of such . . . were later discovered and admitted to cooking the books with jiggered data that the oligarchy controlled media fanned into a flame.

All that is fairly well known common knowledge among the well read and fair-minded researchers and readers.

Evidently you are skipping over the part where I noted that well ordered, loving, responsible gay parents would likely rear kids that were much BETTER OFF than heterosexual couples full of dysfunction, alcoholism, workaholism etc. etc. etc.

Convenient of you to ignore that.

However, you have triggered me beginning a task I've been putting off for a long time . . . reviewing a bunch of studies in the ball park. I'll post the links when I'm done or near done.

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originally posted by: thomadom
Your definition of normal is a direct result of your experiences and the environment you grew up in, to deny someone their version of normal in inhumane.

Also gay parents aren't the ones who fail their children or worse abuse/abandon them and deny them a family. That would be the straight parents.

So the way i see it, gay people are serving society by picking up their slack.

Unless we are talking about one of the gay couples that has gone with surrogacy or artificial insemination, or unless it's one of those gay couples where one part of the pair had a hetero marriage and kids from that ... Don't pretend that this does not happen. Not every gay couple adopts the hapless abandoned kid, and not every hapless abandoned kid is adopted by gays.

As far as it goes, kids do best with their biological parents so long as that couple is in a stable, healthy relationship. Then you have a stable hetero couple raising kids. Then you have two parents. Then single parent situations.

That is the preferred hierarchy.

I put hetero couples on top because, like it or not, the two genders are different and our kids learn about how each interacts from watching his or her parents interact both with each other, with the kid and with society.

A homosexual couple can love their kid very much, but they are providing an overabundance of how one gender behaves and part of that is how that gender interacts in an atypical way as homosexuality is not the most common behavior in society. That doesn't make it wrong at all just atypical for what most members of that gender will engage in. And then the kid won't get as much interaction with members of the other gender.

And we all know the extra challenges single parents homes tend to face along with missing that gender interaction.

a reply to: BO XIAN

I highly doubt that the National Association of Psychologists, in four major western countries, have been hoodwinked by a handful of homosexuals.

All that is fairly well known common knowledge among the well read and fair-minded researchers and readers.

I believe that you are just spouting hearsay to fit with your own prejudices and to save face. The consensus of scientific opinion is far more valid than the paranoid ramblings of one individual.

Evidently you are skipping over the part where I noted that well ordered, loving, responsible gay parents would likely rear kids that were much BETTER OFF than heterosexual couples full of dysfunction, alcoholism, workaholism etc. etc. etc.

The fact that you cannot even see any bias in that statement speaks volumes.

And while I think that most gay relationships are far too unstable and temporary to parent well even a dog or a cat--some are different.

The same statement could equally apply to young heterosexuals. You have absolutely NO evidence that single homosexuals are unable to care for pets so why talk twaddle? I find it puzzling that someone who claims to be a psychologist has such blatantly obvious black and white thinking. Human beings are multi-dimensional but you persist in making assumptions based on minimal variables.

Watch 200 gay themed movies and then tell me otherwise, BTW.

Seriously, do you really believe a few gay movies are representative of the gay population as a whole?

I just don't observe more than a tiny fraction of gay relationships like that.

Are you basing this on the gay movies you purportedly watched? I doubt very much that you are intimately involved with enough homosexuals to make any accurate assessments.