Rome is burning, the Emperor is playing his fiddle and censorship

a reply to: Gemwolf

We have a ton of South African expats living here in Canada, most of the doctors and nurses in my little town (population of only about 2000 people) are all immigrated here from South Africa over the past 15-20 years.

Great people and lots of fun to hang out with.

If you've got a high-in-demand profession to offer (medical, tradesmen, etc) then Canada is taking applications !

I hope you've got an exit strategy laid out for you and your family, just in case...

From what our friends have been telling us of what's going on over there, it's going to get much much worse. And there doesn't seem to be any chance for it to get better any time in the foreseeable future so long as that useless puppet Zuma sits on the throne.

Fingers crossed for you and your family, Gem... and stay safe !

I've been hearing bits and pieces about the unrest/protests there on various radio shows. John B. Wells had mentioned it several times recently.
My heart goes out to you all. Even though I was part of the protest scene in the '70s here in the US, I never, ever participated in any destructive protests and couldn't understand the mindset. How is the bus service going to be improved by burning several busses? I am astounded that people believe these methods will work.

originally posted by: Gemwolf

This is not going to end well...

And according to social media some of the protests have moved to a neighborhood about a kilometer from my office...
:-/

My gut instinct would be to sell everything and move to Chile. I prefer my chances with earthquakes over the disaster boiling up in South Africa.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

and only 3.3 million of those residents carries about 99% of the income tax

Hmmm is this the percentage of whites in the country ?

a reply to: Gemwolf

In which country are you living? Because you make this out to be a lot worse than it is. The pics you posted for one.. The first picture is from Somerset West (where I live). The protest happened at the top of the N2 highway just before Sir Louwries pass and it didn't have anything to do with our president. The protest was caused by a burst water pipe flooding peoples homes.

I live in the Western Cape which is governed by the Democratic Alliance, not the ANC. We do a lot better down here, things are great compared to the rest of the country.

Simply put, I don't think all those pics have to do with service delivery protests, and so what? Let them protest! Let them see what they have done! The ANC has screwed our little country over and I for one am glad that the people are screaming for change.

This was caused ny the ANC but I don't think they'll be the ones to fix it. Viva DA!

a reply to: Kapriti

I was born here, these are my people and this is my home. I will not flee like a coward, I will help them build this country into something great! Why do people always want to flee like cowards?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

About the same time that the Zulu's made their way down from the North. The only people who have a true claim to being the first inhabitants of SA are the Khoi-san. They have inhabited South Africa for the past 20000 years or more.

a reply to: ShadowsOfEridu

You don't live in South Africa right? your comment seems to reflect that

a reply to: halfoldman

I was commenting more on the financial destruction of that whole scenario. It sounds like what they would like to do here in the USA, have a very small percentage of people floating the rest of the population until it self destructs.

An update, it seems the protest was because of the ANC not choosing the current mayor of Pretoria, aka Tswane, but selecting another candidate, Didiza. It is scary to think how much power these terrorists have.

Pretoria - The hotel is located among embassy buildings in suburban Arcadia - and it was in this three-storey establishment that the plan to render the capital city ungovernable was finalised. The Pretoria News can reveal that hours after ANC deputy secretary-general Jessie Duarte named Thoko Didiza as the Tshwane mayoral candidate at Luthuli House on Monday morning, at least 12 people met at the Court Classique Hotel to hatch the unrest.

source www.iol.co.za...

originally posted by: GreenGunther
a reply to: Gemwolf

In which country are you living? Because you make this out to be a lot worse than it is. The pics you posted for one.. The first picture is from Somerset West (where I live). The protest happened at the top of the N2 highway just before Sir Louwries pass and it didn't have anything to do with our president. The protest was caused by a burst water pipe flooding peoples homes.

South Africa. Pretoria.
So you're saying it's not bad that major roads are closed; businesses close their doors our of fear; the entire CBD turns into a ghost town as people flee out of fear; businesses are ransacked and plundered; clinics, schools, public buildings, universities, vehicles and more are burnt to the ground? The protests spilled into the streets of residential areas with conflict between the police and protestors. And that the state-owned media are not reporting on any of this? They've actually considered deploying the military (for whatever that's worth)... Just how bad should it get before it's "that bad"?

And it has everything to do with the president. Don't you think the President of the country should say or do something if "his" country is being burned to the ground - specifically the executive capital of the country?

I live in the Western Cape which is governed by the Democratic Alliance, not the ANC. We do a lot better down here, things are great compared to the rest of the country.

No arguing with that. Early polls are indicating that the ANC and the DA are neck and neck to take Tshwane. What a wonderful day that would be.

Simply put, I don't think all those pics have to do with service delivery protests, and so what? Let them protest! Let them see what they have done! The ANC has screwed our little country over and I for one am glad that the people are screaming for change.

I can't find the exact statistics but the majority of protests are over service delivery. Turns out the current unrest in Pretoria is because of the ANC's mayoral candidate...
And we should let them protest? No. They are damaging property paid for by the taxpayer. 20 odd schools were burned to the ground earlier this year. Who do you think has to pay for that? What do you think it cost to build a school? And what about the millions of Rands of damage to universities earlier this year? Between 2009 and 2013 around 14,000 people were arrested during violent protests. Who do you think paid for the court cases? Who do you think paid/pays for their meals in jail (if they even ended up in jail)? Our economy is struggling at the edge of junk status. Do you honestly believe that we need the extra drain on the economy?

There are statistically a protest every second day somewhere in South Africa... And it's inclining. And who knows what's happening out there with the media black-outs going on? And have you ever seen a protest make a difference in anything?

"The people are screaming for change." And there you hit the nail right on the head. The people are not happy with government (ANC) - local or national. So they burn down schools. And universities. And come next election - who do you think they are going to vote for - again? We've been going through the same motions for the past 22 odd years. Nothing changed. These are the same scenes we saw in the 70s and 80s... The power to change is in their hands - but not by destruction. By making a cross on a piece of paper.

This was caused ny the ANC but I don't think they'll be the ones to fix it. Viva DA!

Bingo. Yet the ANC's confused supporters keep voting them into positions of power...?

Yes, the OP is very dramatic - but that is exactly how I feel right now. How we all feel around these parts. It's easy to say "Oh it's not that bad" from a 1 000 kilometers away. It's a whole different story if violent protests are happening only a couple of kilometers away. Or in my partner's case - having to vacate the building because protestors are approaching the building...

originally posted by: Zimnydran
I thought it was Detroit..... or Chicago...... or Atlanta....... or Philly...... or maybe it is all of them.
My White Male Guilt is in full effect because I know, that some how, some way...... it's whiteys fault

And why do you seem to think that is the case?

a reply to: Gemwolf

Great reporting Gemwolf.

And, a highly informative discussion given the contributions of others local to the situation. This is the type of content that ATS should be getting written up and distributed (sold?) to the wider media.

Good stuff

...and thanks.

a reply to: Gemwolf

Let them protest. Intervention is futile. Let the ANC realise their mistakes and in the meantime - move to the Western Cape, you'll be pleasantly surprised at the level of service delivery and happiness in this province. The rest of SA is in for some bleak times.
The WC still has protests, we still have destruction of property, but this is Africa. Many of my friends had to vacate their university with the whole 'rhodes must fall' nonsense. We're all affected, just choose to stay away and ignore (: not my circus, not my monkeys. When it become destruction of my property I'll take up arms, but until then, I'll be watching from the side line

The downward spiral of South Africa may be a plan, if you look high enough... check this out, www.veteranstoday.com...
The underground home of Zuma is actually the headquarters of your new African masters..

keep safe and read bog out posts.

You Vote?
do you believe in santa claus to?

They control the press and supres the internet.
what else is going on we dont know?
So much disinformation on UFOs we dont know what to belive.

a reply to: Gemwolf

you know how things are by now, it's been like this for the last 10 years. So why does it surprise you all of a sudden? Maybe because it's closer to home this time? I don't know...

But this is business as usual for SA. TIA.
I've seen many protests, destruction of property, assaults caused by protests etc.
But once again, not my monkeys, not my circus. This is the MO for Africa, things might change in the future.
Let's just be positive and help those who need it / want it. Things aren't that bad, really (:

Come and chill in the WC if you want, till things cool down.
Lemme know if you need a place to crash.
GG

Does Malema still enjoy popularity amongst the youth? I understand he addressed a rally last week? Was this before or after the current spate of protest and rioting?

a reply to: Slickinfinity

It's definitely not pc to say but I say if our ancestors took the land then unless the indigenous has the military power to oppose then they have no rights or claims to the land they were unable to defend.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Having the ability to over power someone else, doesn't mean you're morally justified for doing so.

Get out of that disaster of a country ASAP. You would burden your children with growing up there in *that* environment?

Exercise Free Will, for your family's sake!

Be safe