America's Borders Are vulnerable For Military Incursions By Future Armies.

a reply to: Raven95

Your damn right it's vulnerable. When Trump wants to build the barrier, he can get in touch with me ;-) A fence/wall may not stop an army, but it will damn sure take a bunch of them out. Certainly stop the cartels, the Human trafficking and illegal migration.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: DAVID64
But, who is going to attack us? We've played out this scenario several time and no one has the capability to transport troops/supplies and weapons over that much ocean. They'd have to make it past satellite imaging,radar, patrol ships and subs.
And, IF an army did attack, a fence is not going to stop them.

It's covert. Jim Carrey. Mike Meyers. Celine Dion. Pam Anderson. There are many more but we don't want you to know about them. Then you killed all that with the NFL. May I please have some more?

a reply to: Raven95
The movie Red Dawn should have told anyone that borders don't matter when an invading country has planes.

a reply to: Skid Mark

Sorry but that is a fantasy. The initial push wouldn't happen let alone other logistics.

Obviously anybody with any sort of military background can tell you how laughable this is. To begin with 75% or more of all active duty are always in the United States, then you have the National Guard, and about 5 layers of reserves.

Lets put a few things in perspective.

The few, the proud, The US Marine Corps by itself is the 26 largest military on Earth, bigger then entire British Military combined.

The second largest air force on Earth belongs to the US Navy.

As a member of the Rio Pact a military alliance, NATO, ANZUS, and the mutual defense treaties with South Korea, Philippines, and Japan - 52 nations are required to come to the aid of the US if it is attacked.

The entire world combined does not the logistical ability to send and supply force of any real size to anywhere in the Western hemisphere.

With both Mexico and Canada on its borders and enemy would have nightmare of a fight and logistical disaster in trying to lane in either country to avoid trying a direct landing in the US.

An invasion of the US beyond complete fantasy. And because of that nobody has even bother to build the shipping and aircraft that would be needed.

a reply to: Skid Mark

please the original Red Dawn invasion scenario was more believable than the second one. you know where the russian came in on passenger airliners and and over the bearing straight,and the cubans and nicaraguans came in through mexico.



and just for nostalgia's sake here is the whole movie.

originally posted by: MrSpad
With both Mexico and Canada on its borders and enemy would have nightmare of a fight and logistical disaster in trying to lane in either country to avoid trying a direct landing in the US.

You're going to get a lot of snow and mud in Canada. Not conducive to ground warfare. Besides. We'd distract them with hockey.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Raven95

Your damn right it's vulnerable. When Trump wants to build the barrier, he can get in touch with me ;-) A fence/wall may not stop an army, but it will damn sure take a bunch of them out. Certainly stop the cartels, the Human trafficking and illegal migration.

Cheers - Dave

A wall would not even slow down a military force. They would blow it up and move on. Of course we also know the cartels already use tunnels, planes, subs and boats so a wall will not stop that, and 51% of illegals enter on a visa that wall can not stop and they will also just dig under, climb over or sail and fly around it. You might as well take the money you would waste on a wall and do something constructive with it.

a reply to: MrSpad

In the movie Patton he said, "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." Referring to the Maginot Line. True in today's warfare?

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: MrSpad

In the movie Patton he said, "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." Referring to the Maginot Line. True in today's warfare?

Totally true. Warfare is more about speed and maneuverability than ever. A fix fortification is a prison that can be bombed and hit with artillery at an armies leisure. Or you can just starve them out.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: MrSpad
With both Mexico and Canada on its borders and enemy would have nightmare of a fight and logistical disaster in trying to lane in either country to avoid trying a direct landing in the US.

You're going to get a lot of snow and mud in Canada. Not conducive to ground warfare.

Besides. We'd distract them with hockey.

Trying to run supply line through Canada or Mexico would be nightmare, not only because of local Canadian or Mexican forces, but US special forces, US air superiority and no way to get supplies their to begin with. Frankly if Russia and China teamed up they would not be able to invade Mexico in its own, they would have no way to get enough troops their and supply them.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Raven95

Your damn right it's vulnerable. When Trump wants to build the barrier, he can get in touch with me ;-) A fence/wall may not stop an army, but it will damn sure take a bunch of them out. Certainly stop the cartels, the Human trafficking and illegal migration.

Cheers - Dave

A wall would not even slow down a military force. They would blow it up and move on. Of course we also know the cartels already use tunnels, planes, subs and boats so a wall will not stop that, and 51% of illegals enter on a visa that wall can not stop and they will also just dig under, climb over or sail and fly around it. You might as well take the money you would waste on a wall and do something constructive with it.

Maybe, maybe not. I like the tech, did a lot of military base and border work when I was overseas, helped a lot of terrorists become crispy critters. So I am pretty good at mixing brute force lethal deterrents using radiometric analysis plus tdr, echo recon, other kinetic, thermal and bit planar recon with AI systems ;-)

You never know what kind of work is in the horizon...

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Raven95

Sorry, but I have a problem with the very premise. It would be predicated by a military build-up at either of those two borders. Which, in turn, would be predicated by a political scenario leading up to it.

I doubt anyone in the world could move troops and material as quickly as the U.S..

Enough to worry about already....

Exactly. There is a reason why we are not currently at war with any recognized nation or political entity. Our external threats come from bands of psychotic disorganized religiously motivated crazies acting in small groups or even lone wolves. Border build ups will do nothing to stop this. Plus, people are forgetting a huge part of our military power comes from being able to wipe several countries off the map at once, from anywhere in the globe. Even Iran and North Korea are smart enough to know this, and limit themselves to a lot of talking # and tantrum throwing.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: Raven95

Your damn right it's vulnerable. When Trump wants to build the barrier, he can get in touch with me ;-) A fence/wall may not stop an army, but it will damn sure take a bunch of them out. Certainly stop the cartels, the Human trafficking and illegal migration.

Cheers - Dave

A wall would not even slow down a military force. They would blow it up and move on. Of course we also know the cartels already use tunnels, planes, subs and boats so a wall will not stop that, and 51% of illegals enter on a visa that wall can not stop and they will also just dig under, climb over or sail and fly around it. You might as well take the money you would waste on a wall and do something constructive with it.

Maybe, maybe not. I like the tech, did a lot of military base and border work when I was overseas, helped a lot of terrorists become crispy critters. So I am pretty good at mixing brute force lethal deterrents using radiometric analysis plus tdr, echo recon, other kinetic, thermal and bit planar recon with AI systems ;-)

You never know what kind of work is in the horizon...

Cheers - Dave

Yeah go ahead and figure the cost for doing that for 1,989 miles. And you still have 51% coming in on legit visas. Then you have boats, planes etc. You might spend a trillion a year to stop 10% of them.

originally posted by: MrSpad
Frankly if Russia and China teamed up they would not be able to invade Mexico in its own, they would have no way to get enough troops their and supply them.

Exactly. Logistics. China has a pantload of troops but no way to move them.

That's why the Allies concentrated on the Atlantic War and destroyed the German Wolf Pack. Their subs were killing our logistics. So we killed their subs. If not WW2 would have lasted a LOT longer. Corvairs man.

After WW2, the United States gov realized that the best place to stop an invasion is OVER THERE instead of over here. That is why you see US bases and forces everywhere and a national obsession with forward staging. The policy has it's weaknesses, but it has stood the nation in good stead so far.

A wall is not enough. We need to encircle America in a giant bubble. What this bubble will be made of is up for debate, but one thing is for sure, every other country will collectively pay for it. Bubble or bust!

originally posted by: MrThortan
A wall is not enough. We need to encircle America in a giant bubble. What this bubble will be made of is up for debate, but one thing is for sure, every other country will collectively pay for it. Bubble or bust!

Dude. Seriously. You've gotta start writing for Adult Swim.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie
I liked the original, too.

You found the movie! Cool! Thanks.

a reply to: Montana

Yes you are one eloquent montuffalo my friend and funny to boot.