Navy Commander Pilot Learns From "the boys upstairs" About Extraterrestrial Vehicles

a reply to: Spacespider

Well the universe is indeed a big place, hence my ambivalence to believe UFOs are extra terrestrial by nature(Unless they come from within our own star system).

Look at it this way, in that billion years, 100,000s of sentient life forms could rise fall and be forgotten without ever being discovered or attaining the ability to cross the vast distances between the stars.

Possibly worth entertaining the notion that you are not thinking small enough?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Spacespider

Well the universe is indeed a big place, hence my ambivalence to believe UFOs are extra terrestrial by nature(Unless they come from within our own star system). Look at it this way, in that billion years, 100,000s of sentient life forms could rise fall and be forgotten without ever being discovered or attaining the ability to cross the vast distances between the stars.

Possibly worth entertaining the notion that you are not thinking small enough?

I do not understand what you mean

originally posted by: Spacespider
He appears to me as a honest person.

But I can´t help me to wonder what makes him go with a interview like this.. whats in it for him ?

they always 'appear to be honest'. its uncanny. none of those encountees [i just coined that word ] ever seem shady or not sincere.

he should get a polygraph.

youtube strikes again!

a reply to: Spacespider

What i mean is that life, possibly not in the same manner that we quantify in this day of age could originate or exist from or within the quantum foam rather than being of an extraterrestrial panspermic nature.

Or maybe UFOs simply originate from some place in the 95% of the ocean we have yet to explore?

You do understand that space is not exactly the final frontier we are lead to believe?...........There are others of a possibly infinite variety.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Supposedly Polygraphs can be mislead simply by posing another question in your head that conflicts with the question posed. Just a thought. Which is why in most courts their conclusions are inadmissible.

originally posted by: Spacespider

Meh.. sounds to me your the one that´s not thinking big enough..

In a billion years if humans exists, I would not be surprise if we have something like teleportation device where there are no flight or time involved, we simple set the coordinates and press go.. and we are there.
Trying to find answers in our know science today, explaining the future in a billion years is hopeless. That is like a caveman trying to guess how we can put a robot with wheels on Mars.

you just described extra dimensional effects. that's exactly what "teleportation" is...
I always wonder what is it that makes people think extra dimensional and extra terrestrial are mutually exclusive concepts.. someone coming from off the earth would also manipulate dimensions above space/time to get here without taking 100s of years to do it..

neither idea seems more or less plausible to me as they seem like the same idea.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Spacespider

What i mean is that life, possibly not in the same manner that we quantify in this day of age could originate or exist from or within the quantum foam rather than being of an extraterrestrial panspermic nature.

Or maybe UFOs simply originate from some place in the 95% of the ocean we have yet to explore?

You do understand that space is not exactly the final frontier we are lead to believe?...........There are others of a possibly infinite variety.

Agreed..

But my guess where they would be from would be in this order:

1.Our universe

2.Humans from the future ( time travel ) That would explain why they would keep it a secret, because full disclosure could damage the timelines.

3. Mind manipulation experiments

4.Other dimensions

5. Inner earth civilization.

6. Mental projections that manifest as physical objects.

a reply to: Spacespider

Im with you apart from the Inner earth civilizations, our Earth is not hollow, that's proven by scientific FACT. So unless its a big cavern, located within tolerable life sustaining temperatures, or these beings reside within the mantel or crust, and are some form of energy based being i think we can rule out that particular place of origin.

End of the day through, until we meet them and/or they make themselves known to all of us it really just speculation.

a reply to: Spacespider

99.999% of species to live on the Earth have gone extinct (give or take a few 9's).

There is every likelihood that we will too...so that billions of years argument has no foundation. Its just wishful thinking.

At present, despite all the wishful thinking, there is not one iota of proof that we are not alone in the Universe.

Now, given the presence of organic molecules in deep space molecular clouds, I think that "primitive" life may well be "not uncommon".

But its a huge leap from that, to cruising around the Universe in the "Enterprise".

If the "EM drive" turns out to be valid..maybe WE will be the "First ones" in this part of the Universe".

But it wouldn't be surprising if we only ran into algae and world's decimated with nuclear bombs.

Apex predators like us are extremely self-destructive.

Kev

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Spacespider

Im with you apart from the Inner earth civilizations, our Earth is not hollow, that's proven by scientific FACT. So unless its a big cavern, located within tolerable life sustaining temperatures, or these beings reside within the mantel or crust, and are some form of energy based being i think we can rule out that particular place of origin.

End of the day through, until we meet them and/or they make themselves known to all of us it really just speculation.

The problem with discussing a unknown is in the end nobody knows anything.
But I got a feeling that contact will be made in the next 50 years.. real contact and broadcast worldwide.
But again that is just a gut feeling.. I know nothing

a reply to: Spacespider

"But I got a feeling that contact will be made in the next 50 years"

Problem with that mentality is that humanity has been thinking along similar lines since before recorded history begun....we call it religion.

Look at it this way if you were an alien intelligence, extra dimensional or extraterrestrial aside, would you make your presence known to a bunch of semi clever monkeys that revel in the destruction of not only ourselves, but also on the very place that we occupy?

I think not.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Spacespider

"But I got a feeling that contact will be made in the next 50 years"

Problem with that mentality is that humanity has been thinking along similar lines since before recorded history begun....we call it religion.

Look at it this way if you were an alien intelligence, extra dimensional or extraterrestrial aside, would you make your presence known to a bunch of semi clever monkeys that revel in the destruction of not only ourselves, but also on the very place that we occupy?

I think not.

I can´t tell what I would do, because I am afraid I would give some aliens good ideas which would be a bad thing for 5 billion people.

originally posted by: Joneselius
I dont know how much this helps but - when i saw the UFO that i did, it did have an aura about it. It looked like something was generating an awesome amount of heat in front of it. It also couldn't stay still. I don't know how best to explain it but it was eery. So I don't care what the career ATS sceptics say. This, to me, substantiates that claim! It's not often people talk about that.

They're so strange.....

The only UFO I have ever seen was like a ball of light circling a plane then shot off making zigzag moves then I lost it. Looking around I say something solid red with a lighter oval semi transparent mist around it...it was just sitting there when it took off again and became a ball of white light.

Just chiming in to afirm, I have seen similar.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Spacespider

"But I got a feeling that contact will be made in the next 50 years"

Look at it this way if you were an alien intelligence, extra dimensional or extraterrestrial aside, would you make your presence known to a bunch of semi clever monkeys that revel in the destruction of not only ourselves, but also on the very place that we occupy?

I think not.

I suppose not, after all what we are as a species is not exactly a poster boy for species advance.

A question then: If you were superior to us, and your objective were to conquer us, would you help us technologically? Would you give us the wherewithall to destroy ourselves, if that was your goal?

The ideas fascinate me, but I am not sure if they aren't egocentric at heart.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Simply supply or let us think we have designed the tools of our own destruction, then sit back cloaked in high Earth orbit and wait for the show to begin. Chances are because of our inherit disposition towards destruction, 50-100 years later we would quite happily oblige.

But that type of scenario leaves only a world of radioactive sludge to occupy.

Better option would be to pretend to be our God, which quite possibly they are, and whether or not its even true a considerable amount of people would believe anyway. Then bend and shape us to there own will.

a reply to: BO XIAN

imho, the rabid naysayers can go chase a duck and do not deserve a response.

Interperation - If you don't agree with my opinions .....you are wrong, and not welcome in this thread.

Collaborative dialogue is invited.

Interperation - If you agree with me you are allowed to participate in this thread.


Why exactly do people that do not agree with your analysis not deserve a response?

Well OP, I have had a interesting afternoon. I followed your link and watched the interview. I think the gentleman is being as honest as he can be also just for the record as far as that part goes.

As it usually happens , one video leads to the next. So basically I have been watching the videos in the series from the start. There are quite a few and I really haven't even made a dent yet, but, I did come across this one which I found interesting because it is discussing new uses and understand energies.

I'm posting this because of the comment earlier about basic physics. Up till lately, these as a rule have been applied to 3 dimensional thinking. These new discoveries are proving that energy actually works in the laws of nature of the in 4 dimensional.

So already we have somewhat moved past the "basic physics." I'm not pointing this out At you, just sharing this for others that are wondering so much about the How they might get here and energy required yada yada.

I doubt very many will watch this, but it is worthwhile concerning these issues that have been brought up

a reply to: Argyll

Ouch. Bitey.

But quite on point. Bias is the culprit here. Interesting interview, nevertheless. I think the account he's telling is truth. Don't agree with the rest, however. Also, we can't take the talk about bodies and craft seriously.

I think the reason why military are hush hush about it, is that they are as clueless as we are in regards to the concluding answers that we're all seeking (but do know of the reality of those). And they're scared sh*tless because it's a situation out of their control, and they are control freaks, that much we know. So, imo, either he was told to say that (about the craft and bodies in the hangar), he's lying about it (although I'm doubting this option, you'd be surprised at the abilities the military can teach you) or he was lied to (bluffed with). With that said, I still think that military observations of UAP are crucial. I think military leaked/declassified documents with conclusions based on their data/observations would be make for a very interesting read. But I wouldn't take it as anything different than a very well educated guess. I don't think that ex-military claims of inside info are to be taken without a single grain of salt (or a whole box of salt). Reason? Bribery, fame, money, executing further duties for the government (for a really good pay), you name it.

I hate to be that guy, but truth is, I don't like your threads, BO. This is the very first one I actually paid much attention to, mainly because they reek of bias and the titles sound a bit as attention seeking (always). It's as if Arken's back with a much better knowledge of the English language. And I am posting in such an offensive manner (uninvited at that) because what Argyll pointed out is... well, a very low and disgusting way to start a thread, to put it lightly (hence, a far from light reply).

In a world of information, every one is a government working shill (though very few really get paid). You and me included. But you're doing a much MUCH better job than me.

Someone had to say it and I hate that it's coming from me. But OPs like this grind my gears.

a reply to: onehuman

Harvesting Zero Point energy is bordering on pseudo science. Which is not to say an interesting subject. Who knows what's possible all the same.

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: BO XIAN

Trouble is this is in air. No matter what weird and wonderful explanations you have for the methods of propulsion the air molecules have to vacate a certain space and the re-fill a certain space, basic physics. There would be a hell of a noise!

Well, not exactly by my thinking. IF the vehicle is producing a field for itself and the surround air, then it is basically without mass as well as the air within that area. Having no mass, that envelope of massless air can slickly slide anywhere it wants to go almost instantaneously, no wall of resistance in the front and no void is left at the rear.

Yes but the volume that was the vehicle must fill with something and that something is the surrounding air. As I said originally it does not matter about the vehicle the air has to move out of the way and then re-fill the void irrespective of how the vehicle moves. Unless the ship performs some sort of pre-vacating and post-fill of a non vacuum space then there will be consequences far beyond the vehicle. Those consequences will be noticed by a.n.other observer on earth. Now I know about the anti sonic boom technologies being developed but these are only effective for low speeds (relatively speaking). Given the speed of movement of the UFO as described you come up against the air becoming exceedingly viscous. You still reach a limit of physics unless the craft is performing pre+post air movement. Warp drive, space folding etc I can go along with....in a vacuum. A vacuum connects with nothing, a fluid connects with all the molecules next to it and that causes a problem.