Scientist says he found definitive proof that God exists.

originally posted by: MrPlow

originally posted by: intrptr
Math is man made

Man didn't "make" math. We discovered it.

And it wasnt the Muslims first as they would like you to believe. Algebra was originally from the greeks first. but the arabs Perfected it though.

WHY? YHW?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: MrPlow

originally posted by: intrptr
Math is man made

Man didn't "make" math. We discovered it.

And it wasnt the Muslims first as they would like you to believe. Algebra was originally from the greeks first. but the arabs Perfected it though.

And we ( the "west") weaponized it. And invented GPS and Smart phones.

Now everyone has a device tracking them and their thoughts accessible by the G at anytime.

a reply to: yuppa

If you divide "1" in half, you have 2 halves.

Is not each half, 1 half, a whole half?

1 whole half is 1, so 1÷2=2

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

Also as genius as the Greeks were, you can credit an enormous amount of it to the Egyptian wise men. Whoever they conquered they would always learn their wisdom and the Phoenicians were the inventors of the first alphabet with 40 letters. Phoenicians are Canaanites and were Semitic speaking and culturally but they have not been given the credit they deserve. I wonder why?

You can say the same about the Semitic Hebrews and the Bible if you toss in some Sumerian/Babylonian/Chaldean influence.

Combining worldly wisdom is good.

Weaponizing it is bad.

a reply to: intrptr

Does math explain emotions, no we have 'expression'.

Yes, we just haven't learned physical math yet.

a reply to: MrPlow

Man didn't "make" math. We discovered it.

Math is a language. A very precise explanation that fits together....it is beyond my capacity to get beyond simple geometry. So when people talk about math and physics (my other most bothersome subject matter) it usually goes over my head.

The language of math, if it can be made to express everything that man is and his environment is, is a phenom. I wish I had a knack for it. I have very good spatial intelligence, but I'm crap at math and physics.

Still, I've read some books (and parts of books) that deal with those subjects....I liked Michio's analogy to "the mind of 'God'" - because it reminds us that god is not a guy in a dress keeping score.


Anyway: CIAGypsy posted the yvid that was in the link for the article. Here's what the article said:

One of the most respected scientists of today says he has found evidence of the action of a force "that governs everything."
The theoretical physicist Michio Kaku claims to have developed a theory that might point to the existence of God. The information has created a great stir in the scientific community because Kaku is considered one of the most important scientists of our times, one of the creators and developers of the revolutionary String Theory which is highly respected throughout the world.

To to come to his conclusions, the physicist made ​​use of what he calls “primitive semi – radius tachyons “.

Tachyons are theoretical particles capable to “unstick ” the Universe matter or vacuum space between matter particles, leaving everything free from the influences of the surrounding universe.

After conducting the tests, Kaku came to the conclusion that we live in a “Matrix”.

“I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence”, he affirmed. “Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore.”

“To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”

(I think the site publisher put the wrong Kaku short in?)

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think sound is a greater power than math just like geometry there are sacred mind blowing uses for it.

Not to get Biblical but it is sound that ignited creation in the wisdom of the ancient teachings. I don't think this is exclusive to the Bible either.

I have seen videos that used sound and sand to form patterns of greater and lesser complexity and classical music as well as chanting would do it.

I don't want to be a dumbass and believe in a hoax but this was well done if it was and many people have videos doing it.

Here is mathematical proof of transcendental design/intelligence some of you may want to call "God":
smphillips.8m.com...
For example, the hidden (up till now) inner form of the biblical Tree of Life (Otz Chiim) has been discovered. Its two-dimensional (planar) form is mathematically analogous to the Gosset 421 polytope (discovered around 1897). This is well-known to mathematicans as the 8-dimensional polytopic representation of the 240 roots of the rank-8, exceptional Lie group E8, one of the two symmetry groups that describe anomaly-free interactions between superstrings in 10-d space-time. The simplest representation of the eight-dimensional Gosset polytope has now been discovered. Its geometrical parameters have been found in the sacred geometries of the five Platonic solids and the Sri Yantra. What emerges from this amazing isomorphism is the existence of a stupendous mathematical design or pattern underlying some of the major scientific discoveries of the last 50 years, as shown at the above website. What is the source of this coherence that connects ancient Tantric yantras, Kabbalistic teachings and pure mathematics appearing in research into superstrings? Transcendental intelligence of stupendous power and beauty.
Discover it for yourselves at the above website.

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

I am gifted in music, and was nurtured in it by my parents. From the time I was a little girl...

I agree with you that sound is the coolest thing....and music? Music blows the doors off of math!!!

Music is another language entirely, but yet based on math!

Music, I think is the closest we come to emulating the Supreme Divinity.

a reply to: micpsi

the hidden (up till now) inner form of the biblical Tree of Life (Otz Chiim) has been discovered. Its two-dimensional (planar) form is mathematically analogous to the Gosset 421 polytope (discovered around 1897). This is well-known to mathematicans as the 8-dimensional polytopic representation of the 240 roots of the rank-8, exceptional Lie group E8, one of the two symmetry groups that describe anomaly-free interactions between superstrings in 10-d space-time. The simplest representation of the eight-dimensional Gosset polytope has now been discovered. Its geometrical parameters have been found in the sacred geometries of the five Platonic solids and the Sri Yantra.

No...seriously. I have a great deal of respect for the ancients, Eastern thought, and Mesopotamian/Egyptian.

I believe we got derailed somehow....nuclear war? I loved watching Ancient Aliens. And I really want to visit Machu Picchu -- those power spots are incredible!! I had one at the bottom of the hill where I lived with my horses....an energy that sort of vibrated right into my cells.....it was near the decaying stump of a long-ago fallen tree, probably 5 feet around. There was a spring there, too.

It makes my spine tingle and gives me goose flesh just remembering how that place felt!

Couple of books you all might enjoy:

Secret Splendor by Charles Essert

and

The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield


some heady stuff.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I have Celestine prophecies, I found it.

I couldn't get past the 5th insight.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

If you do a search at Amazon.com on "god + mathematics", you get thousands of results, of books that supposedly prove the existence of God through various formulas and equations.

I believe that the strongest mathematical proof is Kurt Gödel's ontological proof, which has been checked and ratified a few times.

The suggestion that there is no proof is usually based upon either ignorance or opinion.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Couple of books you all might enjoy:

Secret Splendor by Charles Essert

and

The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield

some heady stuff.

I haven't read "The Secret Splendor" but I found "The Celestine Prophecy" to use emotional language, drawing inferences unsupported by either data or reasoning. It is also fiction.

a reply to: chr0naut

Try Secret Splendor - it's quite different - not fiction, but the guy's memoirs of his spiritual search.

Very good reading.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: CIAGypsy

If you do a search at Amazon.com on "god + mathematics", you get thousands of results, of books that supposedly prove the existence of God through various formulas and equations.

I believe that the strongest mathematical proof is Kurt Gödel's ontological proof, which has been checked and ratified a few times.

The suggestion that there is no proof is usually based upon either ignorance or opinion.

I have no doubt that a living force of infinite intelligence designed the material world and its functions.

But that is not proof of a personal comprehendible or explainable "God."

And not believing in something you can't see isn't ignorance, it is caution. It's understandable.

Every conversation ever about God is opinion.

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

Exactly! Well, I don't think it's a "conscious" force in the way we think of consciousness, conscientiousness, or conscience.

There's a unifying force....I think. Energy and matter that are neither created nor destroyed, but always in a state of something or other.


Today, I miss my dad, and wonder where his energy/self is. He was very much into Carl Sagan and physics and space and science and stuff like that.


Also: welcome to ATS.

originally posted by: MrPlow

originally posted by: intrptr
Math is man made

Man didn't "make" math. We discovered it.

Bulls***. A point, line and plane don't actually exist, just in math.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: intrptr

Does math explain emotions, no we have 'expression'.

Yes, we just haven't learned physical math yet.

The "physical" part is glandular, love isn't expressed in mathematics. In fact people long on math are short on love.