Family of AR-15 inventor says he’d be ‘sickened’ to see his gun used by civilians

a reply to: eisegesis
The whole thing smells a little bit. Stoner made his $ from patents, patents that were used to make guns that kill people.
I wonder if those patents hadn't expired yet if we would hear a peep out of these family members. Of course back then the rifle was used to kill the enemy so it was ok to put out there and coincidentally make $ off.

Again smells a bit.

a reply to: eisegesis

I don't care two hoots what the camera hogs had to say, the tool has nothing to do with the intent of the person using it! If I wanted to go batsh#t crazy and kill a room full of unarmed people with a danged claw hammer I could! Would it be the hammers fault?

I am sure they are crying all the way to the bank every time they make a withdrawal from the trust fund.

One thing people are not taling about is that he did not deveolop the ar-15 for military. He made it for ArmaLite. If you work for a company, even if the idea is entirely yours It does not belong to you. So his wishes probably werent any more complex than putting food on the table for those strong opinioned chilren of his.

a reply to: eisegesis

Jeez. Another Nobel, Another Winchester..........

no sicker than madison seeing what people are doing to his ammendment

a reply to: DeviantMortal
actually he did intend on it being a U.S. military weapon and in 1962 the U.S use the AR15 before colt got the tights and named it the M16
it was based off the AR10 which in testing lost to the M14 but beat the FNFAL.

here is a old link that gives the short version of the story, the link is now 404'd. but if you do a search for the Armalite story or look up the wiki you can find more details.

Armalite AR-10 Semi-Automatic Rifle Eugene Stoner's creation of the AR-10 rifle led in turn to the development of the AR-15 and the eventual U.S. military adoption of the M16 rifle. SN 1036 The ArmaLite Division of Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation traces its origins to to the efforts of two men who sought to design a military-style rifle that represented a radical departure traditional from its predecessors. In the early 1950s, engineer/attorney George Sullivan teamed with inventor Jacques Michault to create prototype rifles that featured lightweight aluminum receivers, straight-line fiberglass stocks, high-line sights, and receiver-mounted carrying handles. Sullivan later met with Richard S. Boutelle, president of Fairchild, and told him of his efforts. Boutelle was interested in this project, and as a result, ArmaLite was founded as a Fairchild subsidiary in 1954. Eugene Stoner, a former U.S. Marine and ordnance technician, became ArmaLite's chief engineer. Stoner, along with designer L. James Sullivan and supervisor Robert Fremont, were instrumental in determining the course and success of the company. ArmaLite's charter required it to develop and perfect prototype designs that would then be licensed to manufacturers for actual production. The company's first products, the AR-1 and AR-3, never entered production, but they did prove the feasibility of concepts that made use of modern designs and materials. ArmaLite's first success came in 1957 with the design of the AR-5. This rifle was a bolt-action breakdown rifle chambered for the .22 Hornet cartridge and was intended for use as a survival arm by U.S. Air Force crews. The gun's barrel and receiver could be stored in its hollow fiberglass buttstock that, in addition to its ability to float, also provided a storage place for fish hooks, matches, and other supplies. The AR-5 was accepted for military use, but expected sales failed to materialize because the Air Force had already purchased a large inventory of Harrington & Richardson M4 and M6 survival guns. The AR-5's design became the basis of the civilian AR-7. The gun was chambered for the popular .22 long rifle cartridge and employed a semi-automatic blowback action rather than the bolt operation of its predecessor. ArmaLite briefly manufactured the AR-7 before selling production rights to Charter Arms Corporation. This company manufactured the AR-7 until 1990, when Survival Arms, Inc. took over production under license from Charter Arms/Charco. Not all of ArmaLite's designs were rifles. The AR-9, which dates from 1955, was a semi-automatic shotgun that featured a polycarbonate stock and an anodized aluminum barrel and receiver. The AR-9 was not produced, but many of its features were incorporated into the AR-17 "Golden Gun", a two-cartridge gun that met with limited success. Other ArmaLite rifles were intended for use by military and police forces. The most famous of these are the AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. The AR-10's development dates to 1953, when inventor Melvin M. Johnson, Jr. was employed by the company as a consultant. Prior to the Second World War, Johnson, a U.S. Marine Corps officer, invented a military rifle that later saw success with the Marines in the jungles of the Pacific. The Johnson semiautomatic rifle and the Johnson Light Machine Gun employed a cam-controlled rotary bolt, a feature that was incorporated into the AR-10. The AR-10 also used a simplified gas system that had been proven in the Swedish Ljungman Gevar 42 and French MAS rifles. One notable feature of the AR-10's design was its high stock, which channeled recoil forces backward rather than upward. This design, as well as the AR-10's effective titanium muzzle brake, made the rifle easy to control when fired in the fully-automatic mode. Originally designed to chamber the .30-06 cartridge, this rifle was later modified to accept the 7.62mm NATO round. The AR-10 competed unsuccessfully in Ordnance trials against the Springfield M14 rifle, but the rifle found some success in overseas markets. Colt Industries was licensed to produce an improved AR-10 with various options and modifications, including light machine gun and sniper variants, but these too failed to generate large numbers of sales. This Colt/ArmaLite association foreshadowed a later and vastly more successful venture. Between 1956 and 1959, ArmaLite engineers developed a scaled-down version of the AR-10, with many of the same features. Generally credited to Eugene Stoner, the new AR-15 actually incorporated design features that pre-dated Stoner's tenure with the company. This rifle used the same recoil and gas systems as its larger cousin, but its smaller size presented special challenges. The AR-15 chambered a specially-developed .222 Remington magnum caliber cartridge, which later became the now-standard .223 caliber/5.56mm NATO round. This cartridge produced higher gas pressures in its smaller chamber than did the larger 7.62mm round. In addition, the .223 had a flatter trajectory than the 7.62. ArmaLite engineers had to make provisions in their designs to accommodate both of these characteristics with modifications to the gas system and sights. In 1958, the AR-15 was tested by the Army as a possible replacement for the M14. Although the new rifle performed well, the Army would go no farther than to suggest the need to develop a reliable light-weight rifle like the AR-15 as an eventual replacement for larger infantry arms. Several design changes came out of these tests, including the addition of a stronger barrel with a two-piece handguard, relocation of the cocking lever from under the top carry handle to the rear of the receiver, modification of the "safe" switch, reduction of magazine capacity from 25 to 20 rounds, and an increasing of receiver and magazine clearances and feed ramp modification for better reliability under combat conditions. Convinced that the military would not adopt the AR-15 and faced with financial problems, ArmaLite sold the production rights for the rifle to Colt Industries in 1959. With the help of Eugene Stoner, Colt began aggressive marketing of the AR-15 to nations throughout Asia, and these efforts met with immediate success. Unfortunately, U.S. aid to these nations required them to purchase firearms that were compatible with those used by U.S. forces. Fairchild president Richard Boutelle enjoyed a close personal friendship with U.S. Air Force general Curtis LeMay, and as a result of an impromptu demonstration during a skeet shooting session, LeMay became interested in testing the AR-15 for possible use by Air Force security personnel. Testing at both Lackland Air Force Base and at the Army's Aberdeen Proving Grounds showed the AR-15 to be a formidable infantry arm. Army special unit field tests in Vietnam confirmed this finding, and in 1962, Congress approved an initial purchase of 8,500 AR-15s. The AR-15 still faced challenges from Army brass and from ammunition and maintenance-related "bugs" that were later worked out, but the "black rifle" went on to prove itself in Southeast Asia and in other conflicts around the world. The AR-15, later designated the M16, has seen additional modifications and variations over its nearly forty year lifespan, and is currently produced both by Colt and by various licensed companies around the world. Several million AR-15/M16s have been produced. This rifle's success has spurred the development of both clones and other small caliber/high velocity combat arms. In addition to its widespread acceptance among the world's military forces, the AR-15 is also a favorite with both law enforcement agencies and with competitive shooters. ArmaLite was purchased by a Philippine conglomerate, but the company name and trademarks were in turn purchased by Eagle Arms, Inc. of Geneseo, Illinois.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

After doing some clicking around on the interwebs I agree, the original intention was to sell to the military. I do not however think this was just because he wanted our armed forces to be better. In fact I personally think (opinion only, no info to back it up) That it was simply built to be sold. Military was the obvious first choice because of the money that comes with it. I do not think that for one second he would object to making more money by making a version to be sold to the masses without the full auto option.

I should have included this in my last post, another things most people dont make the clear distention on is that the modern ar-15 sold to you and me is NOT the ar-15 he desighned. His ar-15 was full auto, and that was intended for military only. IMO anyway.

Please ignore my many typos, typing on a tablet is no easy feat.

The original AR-15 was a select fire with fully automatic capability.

He designed it for military use. Duh he wouldn't want it for civilians.

This is either an intentionally written article for propaganda purposes, or just half-@$$ed journalism.

originally posted by: blkcwbyhat
a reply to: xuenchen

the sig uses an AR lower.....

wrong the sig has no buffer tube. And would not work at all with a AR upper. yes you can put a AR lower on it and get it to fire but since the sig is sold as a complete rifle i can see no reason for anyone to want to.

Armalite that Eugene Stoner worked for sold ARs to civilians for a couple years before they were modified to a military rifle.

In 1958, Armalite developed the 5.56 mm AR-15 from the AR-10.
The M16 was approved for the army in late 1964 after armalite had sold the rights to COLT.

OP. If the developer of the Gun didnt want anyone but the military to use it he would had set it up so his patent would always be renewed and he would had kept it instead of selling it to ruger.

This is just the family looking for money by telling a story that NBC wants to hear.

The Family is making a tacticlly presumptious statement based 100% on conjecture and imagination which in no way on any level reflects or illuminates the true feelings opinions or wishes of Stoner.

This is subversive support for gun controls and seizure.

I once witnessed a dangerouse knife attack be stopped in less than 10 seconds by a man with 3 egg-sized rocks in his Jacket pocket......first one hit the assailant in the back and turned him -the 2nd stone hit him square in the mouth nd knocked him to one knee and the 3d stone thrown overhand from 25 feet away permanently injured the knife weilding assailant...neutralised him with absolution.

3 Egg-sized rocks and thats all she wrote....knife or not.

Chaining the doors to a building and torching it or bombing are more indicitive of terror tactics....a chronological sequence of mass-shooting with the criminals ALL using the same gun is assinine and should be consider as an INSULT o the common mans intellect.

There are FAR MORE GOOD PEOPLE than there are bad ones....I prefer every voting adult to be armed as a matter of CIVIC DUTY at all times......seriously...100% feel this is the true key to peacefull co-existance....true equality.Eventually all the bad guys will be capped in terminal battles with the majority or White-hats and then the remainder will be "herded" into white collar jobs where they can then be Processed out of the system.

a reply to: ANNED

Bingo. I knew someone would post that history. And unlike Armalite, Colt's M-16 had the Mattel logo because they contracted to make the stock.

propaganda we’re being fed by those who wish to disarm us

Propaganda? What about truth and facts? Let me guess, those aren't allowed when talking about guns?

The truth is that it's stupid to let anyone and everyone have military weapons. We don't let people drive a car without being licensed, we should do the same for guns.

It's funny what kids will say when dad ain't around to spank them. They do their father, a former marine, a great disservice.

This is a BS story.

a reply to: CB328

How many times do you have to "renew" (pay money) for your "drivers license"? Why? Because you don't know how to drive? Your argument is not just stupid, but silly.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but Colt started selling AR-15's to civilian's in the early sixties, before the US Army even started to issue them. Given that's a full thirty years before old Eugene kicked the bucket, I would think that would have given him plenty of time to opine on the subject. Given that there's no record of him opposing this civie sale, I would take that as his tacit acceptance of the practice.

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$189.50!!

I feel really bad for them...




Wait a minute......no I don't