Mateen could not have pulled it off.

There is no way Mateen killed 49 and injured as many. Sig Saur, 30 round mags, with victims shot multiple times. I am betting the body count went from 20 to 100 during the SWAT incursion. It hasn't been released so that pressure can remain to pass legislation. In a few days, it will come out.

a reply to: herrw
Ive given this alot of thot
Here is the Thing.... Ready?
We need to ask survivors who were shot how it went down. I think we can trust their perspective. Agree?

a reply to: herrw

SWAT never went inside the building, Mateen came to them through a hole in the walls the SWAT made, there were no SWAT VS Mateen fire fight inside.

originally posted by: herrw
There is no way Mateen killed 49 and injured as many. Sig Saur, 30 round mags, with victims shot multiple times. I am betting the body count went from 20 to 100 during the SWAT incursion. It hasn't been released so that pressure can remain to pass legislation. In a few days, it will come out.

The body count was 49.

He had a rifle, a handgun, and a knife.

there are over 50 survivors. feel free to ask any of them.

Orlando PD admitted maybe an offduty PD shot some people. Probable Mateen killed 35 people off duty cop made it worse.

a reply to: BoxFulder

I'm having a hard time with all of this as well. I really don't believe the MSM timeline. I know they don't have all of the answers.

I remain skeptical.

My skepticism has nothing to do with gays or Islam...

Only the narrative and timeline and "lone wolf" conclusion.

It would take a team to kill this many people.

I believe he had help with both the planning and execution. I think this was arranged, as was almost every global news catastrophe to date.

As was 9/11, as was 7/7, as was Sandy Hook, Dunblane, Boston, Paris.

Someone is allowing, even encouraging these events to happen.

I know this to be true of the Boston Marathon and I absolutely believe the establishment has a hand in these events.

Some will take offence to that, but I think it's more offensive to just let it go and believe what's being fed.

These nutters have help.

For those interested, here is a video demonstrating how Mateen would have been able to get that fire power into the club unnoticed

originally posted by: BoxFulder
Orlando PD admitted maybe an offduty PD shot some people. Probable Mateen killed 35 people off duty cop made it worse.

Source?

Why must all these shootings be called fake?
Honestly I don't know why America has so many shootings. Yours is the country with the Wild West Cowboys and Indians, started then I suppose and nobody ever thought it was time to end it. England should carry on beheading people too,like they did centuries ago. That's how stupid your guns are.

a reply to: VivreLibre

That's a lot of reloads. Don't know about you, but I'd probably scarper after the first.

Perhaps he fired all those shots and changed all those mags without anyone noticing.

Maybe it was a particulary loud club and no-one heard the shots.

Maybe everyone lined up for him.

I'm going with multiple shooters, at least one of which was highly trained.

a reply to: VivreLibre

The shooter probably needed to show ID, so he would need to be able to get his wallet out without showing clips.

Plus he had a phone on him. Unless he was on it as he walked in, would require pocket space.

I think he said 264 rounds. The one guy talked about how the killer reached over the stall and sprayed fire in, and he was hit twice and many others died.

Starting to think the cops might have done more damage then originally though

I'm having a hard time believing that the actual death count has held steady at 49, since the day of the shooting. When you have 50 additional people shot and injured, almost always there are some deaths in the next few days...aren't there?

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The media fans the flames of destruction and murder by making these killers "big shot martyrs" to other wanna-be's out to make a name for themselves, with millions of people consuming thousands of man-hours discussing what they did. On TV, around water-coolers, on blogs, Facebook, dinner tables, law enforcement meetings, on and on and on.

I would like to know the autopsy reports on the kill shots; caliber and placement. You got to be a highly trained operator to place that many kill shots on target in a room full of panicking moving targets. You can't just spray and pray and accumulate that many casualties. What were those people doing!? Standing around/waiting in line for their turn to be killed!??
That's where it gets real fishy for me in my opinion.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
I would like to know the autopsy reports on the kill shots; caliber and placement. You got to be a highly trained operator to place that many kill shots on target in a room full of panicking moving targets. You can't just spray and pray and accumulate that many casualties. What were those people doing!? Standing around/waiting in line for their turn to be killed!??
That's where it gets real fishy for me in my opinion.

Those were some of my initial thoughts as well. These types of attacks are normally topping out at 10 or fewer people.

Even with friendly fire, 49 + 53 injured is an insanely high number. There was the one guy that apparently held the door closed, possibly trapping victims inside.

However, what I'm reading states that Pulse could have up to 800 people on a busy night (source

I guess 100ish out of around 800 packed into a tiny space isn't that hard to believe

originally posted by: violet

originally posted by: BoxFulder
Orlando PD admitted maybe an offduty PD shot some people. Probable Mateen killed 35 people off duty cop made it worse.

Source?

Why must all these shootings be called fake?
Honestly I don't know why America has so many shootings. Yours is the country with the Wild West Cowboys and Indians, started then I suppose and nobody ever thought it was time to end it. England should carry on beheading people too,like they did centuries ago. That's how stupid your guns are.

Good luck defending yourselves when Sharia law comes to the UK. Sadiq Khan is already making changes to appeal to muslims in London. Banning provocative ads and such. Don't call us and our stupid guns when it's too late.

a reply to: VivreLibre

The FBI now has this YouTube guy on the FBI watch list.

Yes he could have. He was weapons trained. He also picked an extremely soft target. No one was coming at him at all (inside the building) he was basically shooting fish in a barrel. It's obvious he cased the building and escape routes. He knew prior to entering the building where he was gonna go stand and where the mass of people would retreat to. He was a crazy arse nutcase....but he wasn't stupid. He went there to kill people & he planned it ahead of time.

Would like to bring attention the latest terror targets. Which in my opinion are small "strips of society". France: Death Metal concert....Orlando: Gay Night Club. What I'm saying is these are but small strips of our total society. Not everyone goes to death metal concerts, not everyone goes to gay night clubs. Why not more main stream mess with your economy type stuff.... Places where larger portions of the nations demographic go to. These strips put but a mere ripple into the local economy.....thought they wanted to disrupt our way of life, more mainstream would do just that. But you'll never see it .There's just certain industries that will never be targets. IMHO..

a reply to: EternalShadow

Crowding the exit, which is a funnel, one could get dozens of kill shots in...you don't need to be highly trained, just an average marksman. Distance to target is probably 15-40 feet. With a rifle, that's not a difficult shot to make. The people that are being targeted are in shock, scared beyond belief and crowding towards the only way to safety that they know: the EXITS.

You have to remember that people, in most emergency situations, are going to look for escape: fight or flight. They're not going to think tactically. They're not going to think defensively. They're not likely to think at all...other than "ESCAPE." Therefore you get people piling up at the exit points, which makes the exit nodes effectively a kill zone.

Sorry if this analysis seems cold and harsh. I don't take this loss of life lightly. But being a former Marine I can tell you how easy it would have been for the shooter in this particular situation.

The death toll would have been much higher if this scumbag knew what he was doing, and had access to the tiniest bit of ordinance or explosives.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: EternalShadow

Crowding the exit, which is a funnel, one could get dozens of kill shots in...you don't need to be highly trained, just an average marksman. Distance to target is probably 15-40 feet. With a rifle, that's not a difficult shot to make. The people that are being targeted are in shock, scared beyond belief and crowding towards the only way to safety that they know: the EXITS.

You have to remember that people, in most emergency situations, are going to look for escape: fight or flight. They're not going to think tactically. They're not going to think defensively. They're not likely to think at all...other than "ESCAPE." Therefore you get people piling up at the exit points, which makes the exit nodes effectively a kill zone.

Sorry if this analysis seems cold and harsh. I don't take this loss of life lightly. But being a former Marine I can tell you how easy it would have been for the shooter in this particular situation.

The death toll would have been much higher if this scumbag knew what he was doing, and had access to the tiniest bit of ordinance or explosives.

Plausible. However, I'll wait for the reports. How many shots were fired in total?