Democrats currently holding Filibuster to take away your gun rights

a reply to: Gryphon66

It showed what the pollsters wanted.


And your polls presented were picked for your own views.


I ask a third time. What are the sales numbers?

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Gryphon66

It showed what the pollsters wanted.


And your polls presented were picked for your own views.


I ask a third time. What are the sales numbers?

What do sales numbers have to do with what the American people think about background checks?

Gun sales always spike after mass shootings, because gun nuts are crapping their panties that someone's gonna take their toys.

You have shown nothing that substantiates your claims. Not a poll, not a survey ... nothing.

When you do, we'll talk. Other than that, /shrug

a reply to: Gryphon66

I ask again, for the fourth time. What are the sales numbers last month.....LAST month before the Orlando shooting.

What are the concealed carry permit application numbers??



You know what is sad.....you might....just maybe....almost persuade a person to think like you. Except you will never present all the facts. And when confronted, you refuse to directly respond.


Ever heard the term "piker"?

a reply to: Gryphon66

And.....I am not a person to allow polls to dictate either my views or what the Constitution states.
Again, another sad realization. You like having public opinion, or the perception of public opinion in giving you your stances.

a reply to: macman

Ever heard the term "red herring"?

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Gryphon66

And.....I am not a person to allow polls to dictate either my views or what the Constitution states.
Again, another sad realization. You like having public opinion, or the perception of public opinion in giving you your stances.

No one is trying to dictate your views! Why is that always the refuge of the hopelessly insecure? You made a comment that what happened in the Senate yesterday was good for "the People" and I have conclusively shown you that "the People" don't agree with you. So, in this sense, what you think personally doesn't matter at all.

Hate to tell you, but the Constitution does not prohibit a national database for gun registration, and as soon as the NRA caucus (i.e. the Republican Party) is out of power in the Senate, you will see the actual will of the People enacted.

Blather on about what you think about what I think about things. It's rather pathetic.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I think we can tie this off by saying the NRA wins again.

Senators do what they do and serve their masters not the American people.

This is true, but they are elected by the people. You can't manage a countries laws by referendum or opinion polls every time.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You showed some selective polling to back your opinion.

I ask for the fifth time. What are the sales numbers for firearms? What are the numbers for concealed carry applications?

And yes, a national database is leading into infringement.

You honestly think "The people" are represented by the Democrats, more so the the Republicans.

You really have invested yourself into them.

Now.......I do love answering direct questions. Why is it that you refuse to do so?

Hiding from facts doesn't make them go away. But, seeing as you back an ideology that thinks signs and laws stop criminals, I am not surprised.


Will you answer my direct questions? Or hide from them some more?

a reply to: macman

Then show polling that backs your opinion. Show a survey, a study ... heck, how about a transcript from a conversation at a coffee shop?

You've shown nothing.

You may ask another 500 times. We aren't discussing gun sales. We aren't discussing the numbers for concealed carry. You're desperately trying to make that a part of the conversation, and it isn't.

What evidence do you have that a national database for background checks is "infringement"?

As you say "source or it didn't happen."

And now you want to tell me what I think. No, I don't think that Democrats or Republicans represent the people. Another red herring.

I have no need to answer your questions because they nothing to do with what you and I are discussing. It'd be like me asking you how many people died from unregistered handguns in the last 10 years.

Or, how many terrorists were able to buy guns? We sure know of at least one that did, don't we?

That's not what we are discussing. You have no answers, no evidence, no facts, no polls, nor surveys NOTHING but your own beliefs to back up your contention that the American people don't want national background checks and registration.

And you're repeating yourself.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I love it.

Again, Polls and Surveys.....you love you some biased polls and surveys.


Guns sales show what the American people are purchasing. You know.....what they want.
Concealed carry applications show what the American People want in terms of personal protection. Again.....what they want.

New applications for concealed carry permits, not renewals, show what Americans want as well..



SOOOOOO...we can look at hard actual evidence and facts...like sales and applications...or we can look at polling that uses samples of 2000 people being asked directional questions.


Everyone reading our back and forth sees that you are avoiding answering the questions.
Everyone sees what you wish to use as your platform. And everyone sees what I have.

You have polls.

I have hard actual numbers.

Enjoy the day. The Senate rejected the proposed infringements. The NRA assisted in this. And this is a great day for those that VALUE the 2nd.

a reply to: macman

So, you can use the data (which you don't present) to prove something I made no claims about?

Good job.

a reply to: macman

The NRA is not a friend to 2nd amendment supporters. They are a lobbying/political organization that takes money from individuals and corporations in order to push political agendas in Washington. All one has to do is look in to the Ring of Freedom to see that they take money from the larger gun manufactures.

They use that money to do many things, but what is most important is that they use it to fund political campaigns through their own PAC's.

They are a political machine that is politically biased and is not concerned about the individual.

a reply to: Gryphon66

www.atf.gov...

www.washingtonpost.com...

www.fbi.gov...


Enjoy some actual/real data for once. I know that what I present isn't "polls" or "surveys"......but what I have is based in real numbers. Not projections from asking some people a couple of leading questions.

a reply to: introvert

Woe woe woe woe woe.........woe.........................woe.

When did I state the NRA was a friend?

Actually, what the Anti-2nd Progressives should be doing is thanking the NRA. They helped usher in the Brady Bill and a small part in the 1986 NFA act which unlawfully taxes people for a right that "Shall not be infringed".


The NRA doesn't help me any.

a reply to: macman

I did not claim you said the NRA was a friend. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

The NRA is a joke.

Edit: So are many of the "shall not be infringed" people. Many do not understand the 2nd amendment, it's purpose and how flawed it actually is.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Gryphon66

www.atf.gov...

www.washingtonpost.com...

www.fbi.gov...


Enjoy some actual/real data for once. I know that what I present isn't "polls" or "surveys"......but what I have is based in real numbers. Not projections from asking some people a couple of leading questions.

Wow, you Googled and actually added something to your claim.

It has nothing to do with how many Americans are in favor of background checks prior to gun purchases based on a national database, but good for you!

It's a baby-step in the right direction. Now, focus: how many Americans are in favor of background checks?

I'll look forward to your "hard data" on that question, as that is the only thing here that I've made a claim about.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Who needs google? I have that stuff bookmarked.

And yes, it does show something. That people are purchasing firearms at the current state. Sometimes in the idea of proposed new infringements.

But yet again, you grasp to the polls and surveys. Those things that can be manipulated and lead to what you want.


I will keep with hard numbers and sales.

a reply to: macman

Have you ever considered that even some of those that are currently looking to purchase or have in the past also support background checks from a national database?

a reply to: introvert

If they do, then why go out and purchase during a time of reign named 0bama. Why not wait for the great new laws he and other Progressives want?

Hmmmm.

Sales and CCW applications began an upward climb with 0bama took office and haven't stopped climbing since.

a reply to: macman

Americans buy firearms at the rate of 10 million or so per year, in some years, nearly 20 million.

That does not relate to the number of Americans that agree with the idea of background checks from a national database prior to gun sales.

Next?