The Orlando Nightclub Shooter WAS NOT Alone

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
They're investigating it.

A lot of people have said this happened. The Orlando Police said they are following leads.

Here's my question--if "a lot of people" witnessed someone holding the door closed, trapping people inside, why in the hell didn't anyone beat the living s**t out of this person and let people escape the situation?

What has happened to the mettle of the average person these days?

a reply to: eisegesis

I swear, for every single mass shooting since Aurora, there has been a report of three shooters that is always later disproved. I think that's really strange. I could speculate, but since I don't know the reason for sure, I'd rather not say anything ignorant because it would be disrespectful of those who have died. However, I will say that it could allude to the evil of the event. Three is a number usually associated with the demonic because it is seen as mocking the Trinity. And nobody can deny the absolute evil of these mass shooters' deeds. I realize it's a major stretch, and I don't believe this, but I do consider it a possible explanation for the connection that can be made. I think it is likely that the witness got it wrong because of the hysteria during the shooting. Another witness, a U.S. marine, spoke of getting the door open and saving 60 to 70 people inside the club. He mentioned nobody holding the door. Only that the panic of the situation caused people to freeze, which trapped them in that hallway leading up to the exit. Similar to how people die in nightclubs when there's a fire. Nobody really needs to hold a door because people shoot themselves in the foot anyway out of fear. Same reason how people get crushed to death at concerts.

However, there could have been three shooters, but I do think that it is fairly unlikely.

Perhaps all of these shootings have been inspired by the terrorists. I don't know.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Sillyolme
FBI and local leo have said these rumors are false and that the killer acted alone.

Of course they did.

I don't how eyewitness reports can be considered "rumors," btw.

Of course police who were not on scene at the time of the event have better knowledge than first hand accounts who happened to witness everything....

originally posted by: ipsedixit
The door blocker's (Luis Burbano) story in this case is hard to believe but it is believable, when one considers the fear that he must have felt.

It's awesome *sarc* of so many media outlets to give Luis Burbano a platform to tell his story about holding the door closed, again & again....

...but the witness telling the story of being trapped inside by someone holding the door and people being trampled as a result is cut off, mid-story, and never interviewed since (that I can find). This is the story I want to hear more about. But, nope.

I think it just doesn't fit the narrative. Instead, we get to hear from professional actor, Luis Burbano.

Well I don't know anything for sure, but I have been in a couple of firefights and from the sound of the audio recordings, if they were genuine, if it was a lone shooter he certainly had help from the cops.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner
Like I said earlier, it is very difficult to know what to believe, but the video I saw, it did sound like the police was exchanging fire with more than one person on the outside of the club.

Are full auto AR-15s sold legally in Florida?

One witness describes the sound of automatic fire.

Here's an article that talks about the shooter's gun. It wasn't an AR 15 exactly but an AR 15 "type" of gun.

www.wesh.com...

Mateen carried two guns with him Sunday: a 9mm handgun and a .223 caliber AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. Both guns were purchased legally within the last week in Florida, authorities confirmed Sunday.

Mateen, a security guard, was licensed to carry a concealed weapon. In Florida, though, you don't need a license to buy or carry a rifle like the AR-15. There is a three-day waiting period to purchase a handgun like the Glock Mateen also had on him, but no waiting period at all to buy an AR-15.

According to Mother Jones, the a model known as the "Black Mamba," and it "has a military-spec trigger and a magazine capacity of 30 rounds."

There is a link to a SnapChat video that is meant to illustrate how fast Mateen was firing, but it is not "automatic" in character. I think we have a problem here if the eyewitness report of a machine gun like rapidity is accurate.

Here is the link to the "rate of fire" video:

www.wesh.com...

I'm having trouble with the math on how much ammo this one guy would have had to carry. I see sone estimating that he would have had to carry upwards of 30+ magazines for tge rifle alone.

Anybody else have any input on this?

a reply to: ipsedixit
From the audio, are they able to tell what kind of gun is firing, who is firing it, and if it is only one person shooting?

I know everybody was stressed and scared poopless, but most of the videos that have come forward, brings more questions than answers.

I don't think we can make any decisions based on what we have right now.

I don't know anything about guns or ammo but is it possible he had already stored some in the club? It's probably already been suggested somewhere but I've seen it in movies often where people hide money or guns in bathroom roof tiles etc in public places and seeing how he had been there before it would make it easier to bring it in stages than all on the day?

a reply to: JuJuBee

Well first you'd rule out the countries that don't need this. (3rd world and/or dictatorships) and then you'd look at things like The 7/7 Bombing, The SAS Officers who were dressed as Arabs killing civilians in the Baghdad area, or The Sinking Of The RMS Lusitania (for examples of UK false flags) and then you'd look into Kristallnacht and The Reichstag Fire, (for examples Of German false flags)
And then You'd realize America didn't even invent the false flag.

originally posted by: HoldMyBeer
I thought it was established that other patrons were holding the doors closed to let people on the patio escape, not realizing or thinking other patrons were still trying to get out? This may be a fog of confusion kind of thing, right?

Established by whom? If he was letting people on the patio (who weren't actively being shot at) escape, why would he have been telling the people inside (who were literally being shot at) to "stay inside, stay inside" why save people who weren't currently being shot at? That's like your watching TV with a friend and a burglar puts a gun to your friends head, so you run upstairs to warn a sleeping friend. And even if he WAS trying to save lives, he couldn't have lasted very long. The guy had an ASSAULT RIFLE for gods sake. If he wanted to get onto that patio he would have just shot that guy too. And point B, if it really was some guy trying to be a hero. Why won't he say "everybody calm down it was me"

I'd like two add I can't find a clear answer as to how he made it in the building. I've heard he shot everybody out front, and I also heard somehow he was able to sneak the weapons into the club, waited for a song he knew had gunfire in it and then started shooting. I'm from Upstate New York. You'll get patted down trying to enter a dive bar up here. How did quote, "one of the staple gay clubs in Orlando" let a guy sneak an AR-15 in?!?! I've also heard that it was a SIG Sauer, but that's rather irrelevant. You don't sneak an assault rifle into a club. Oh, and where's the sevurity footage? The Columbine tapes have been on YouTube as long as I can remember so don't give me that "spare you the gory details" crap.

I'd like two add I can't find a clear answer as to how he made it in the building. I've heard he shot everybody out front, and I also heard somehow he was able to sneak the weapons into the club, waited for a song he knew had gunfire in it and then started shooting. I'm from Upstate New York. You'll get patted down trying to enter a dive bar up here. How did quote, "one of the staple gay clubs in Orlando" let a guy sneak an AR-15 in?!?! I've also heard that it was a SIG Sauer, but that's rather irrelevant. You don't sneak an assault rifle into a club. Oh, and where's the sevurity footage? The Columbine tapes have been on YouTube as long as I can remember so don't give me that "spare you the gory details" crap.

a reply to: StookieWilliams

And I've been to a few nightclubs in my day. If there's anything, it's people filming. So in lieu of Sevurity footage, I'd take cell phone videos.

a reply to: StookieWilliams

About the entry: i also could not wrap my head around how he would manage to sneak in an assault weapon.

But then i found this video:
For the conspiracy theorist who says it can't be done

About the second point: footage from Columbine: these have been all over the news.
Problem was other kids got inspired and started copycat actions.

That s why everybody came to the conclusion that these cctv footages should not be broadcasted.
Another point would be that the investigation is still ongoing.

originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: StookieWilliams

About the entry: i also could not wrap my head around how he would manage to sneak in an assault weapon.

But then i found this video:
For the conspiracy theorist who says it can't be done

About the second point: footage from Columbine: these have been all over the news.
Problem was other kids got inspired and started copycat actions.

That s why everybody came to the conclusion that these cctv footages should not be broadcasted.
Another point would be that the investigation is still ongoing.

No one said you couldn't stuff it down your pants. It's that it wouldn't fool anybody. That dude has SOMETHING. The guy in that video is alone in his house. Not online at a nightclub Waiting to befrisked for that exact reason by a bouncer. And he wasn't bending his leg because the barrel of the gun was OBVIOUSLY in his pants. If I saw a guy walk up to me like that with his arms out like he didn't take the coat hanger out of his shirt, walking like he's got a rod taped to his knee, I'd at the VERY LEAST keep my eye on him. Not to mention he'd been planning this for quite sometime, according to his wife, he wouldn't have the usual demeanor of typical gay partygoer. I'd imagine he'd look like he was on a mission. Especially if he was a radical Muslim who was wall to wall with gays, which, apparently he's repulsed enough by to murder 100 of them. If I were a bouncer, everything and out this would have raised red flags. I might have let him in, but I'd have either myself or another bouncer, or management watch him. Plus, that dude would make quite a disturbance fumbling that big ass gun out of. His pants I mean your demonstrator got it caught on his shirt for gods sake.

If they inspired copycat attacks, they why are they still on YouTube right now. Secondly I didn't want so see people being murdered on the news. I meant for investigative purpose. And even still, they can cut the footage before any actual shooting. I want to see the cameras that caught him on line or walking to the club. I want the cameras of his vehicle arriving. I want to see stills of him in the club. I don't need to see bodies plastered all over the news.

Here is a link to a video of a kid that escaped the club that night. Listen to what he says...

Orlando Shooting Survivor Admits To Holding The Club's Door Shut, Keeping People Inside!
www.worldstarhiphop.com...

originally posted by: qBits
Here is a link to a video of a kid that escaped the club that night. Listen to what he says...

Orlando Shooting Survivor Admits To Holding The Club's Door Shut, Keeping People Inside!
www.worldstarhiphop.com...

Wow! This is a big phuckin deal man!