So, after mass shooting, Australia "banned" guns 20 years ago = ZERO mass killings since

Wasn't Australia the place we had criminals goto? Wanna know why? It's a flipping island, last time I checked people don't have much to worried about in forms of outside issues getting in illegally.

Not to mention, we've been the number one arms producer since what 1900s, and the mass shootings get worse in the last 20 - 30 years.

Seems to me it's more to due with living in america rather than living with certain items in america.

Let's focus on the economic downturn and the jobs issue in the last 30 years and see if there is any correlation.

Here is a simplified equation,

America + Increased poverty - living wage jobs ( middle class jobs ) = Pissed off Americans seeking someone to blame it on.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

Didn't one or two cartels switch to using subs as delivery vehicles because they were even easier to sneak through? Why wouldn't gunrunners, if they can?

a reply to: reldra

Mexican cartel news

On the border

Gun running for Mexican Cartel

Insightcrime.org


All I did was ask if you had ever heard of them but since you wanted to tell me to do my research (I already have been following them for years) I figured I would provide you with a few links. Enjoy.

Hunt family murders in 2005 killed 5 with guns

Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire arson killed 11. no guns...so use fire


en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

What about by air?

How exactly does this happen? Pretty sure smuggling via commercial airlines would be next to impossible. If you mean small cessna style planes used in the USA/Mexico border for smuggling, umm, sit back and really think about the logistics of that. Start with where the nearest guns may be coming from, and how far that is.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

Are you intentionally being obtuse to promote your agenda or are you being for real? The United States is the issue not the Americas and we can't control territory North and South of our borders.

Do the terrorists also win when they kill 50 and maim another 50?

Just asking.

They do when the response is a cessation of daily life and the shredding of the constitution. How a disarmed American populace can be taken as anything other than a win for terrorism, on the heels of an act of terrorism, is perplexing.

I didn't advocate any such thing or suggest otherwise.

I asked a simple question.


Tell me, who is celebrating tonight?
Terrorists or gun owners?

that is a sick question.

Excuse me?
Have you been reading what this back and forth pertains to or are you just assuming I brought up celebrations for nothing?

yep. you had answers from two people. different answers, but you got more than you deserved.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

Didn't one or two cartels switch to using subs as delivery vehicles because they were even easier to sneak through? Why wouldn't gunrunners, if they can?

Cartels have used subs for smuggling for a long long time, but no the main method is still via land. Also remember those subs only have to travel a small distance in the Gulf of Mexico, not venture on cross-oceanic trips.

even though a starking reality of 0 mass shooting after a ban in 35 years, there are still rebuttals.... possibly 6 more pages of it to come too.

America doesnt need a gun ban, we need more guns. loosen conceal carry laws, lower the minimum age limit to acquire a gun. ( if a man can die for his country, he should be able to purchase a gun... i dont care what the implications are. )

ill be some where watching. like maynard said in 'vicarious'.

tune in next week for the next mass shooting or similar.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

Are you intentionally being obtuse to promote your agenda or are you being for real? The United States is the issue not the Americas and we can't control territory North and South of our borders.

Do the terrorists also win when they kill 50 and maim another 50?

Just asking.

They do when the response is a cessation of daily life and the shredding of the constitution. How a disarmed American populace can be taken as anything other than a win for terrorism, on the heels of an act of terrorism, is perplexing.

I didn't advocate any such thing or suggest otherwise.

I asked a simple question.


Tell me, who is celebrating tonight?
Terrorists or gun owners?

And I didn't say that you did.

I gave a simple answer.

To a question I didn't ask.

I never asked should there be reforms or gun legislation.

I asked do terrorists win when they claim 100+ victims in one sitting.

Of course it's rhetorical, and I didn't expect an answer.
Especially one I already fervently believe to be true in the first place.

a reply to: Jaellma
Yea, I have no problem with gays, I was just trying to make a point.

White kid shoots up a church, statues have to come down. Islamic terrorists shoots up a gay bar, not all Muslims are bad.... Guns are the problem.. Rehashed over and over with double and triple standards.

It's ridiculous.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

What about by air?

How exactly does this happen? Pretty sure smuggling via commercial airlines would be next to impossible. If you mean small cessna style planes used in the USA/Mexico border for smuggling, umm, sit back and really think about the logistics of that. Start with where the nearest guns may be coming from, and how far that is.

Of course Mexico is closer. But in regard to AMOUNT, there are a lot of countries with cartels that account for guns being brought here. I doubt anyone has counted who brings what.

a reply to: Nyiah

Please see my previous post. Thank you.

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: Jaellma
Yea, I have no problem with gays, I was just trying to make a point.

White kid shoots up a church, statues have to come down. Islamic terrorists shoots up a gay bar, not all Muslims are bad.... Guns are the problem.. Rehashed over and over with double and triple standards.

It's ridiculous.

I can see your double standard, clearly.

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
a reply to: Nyiah

Please see my previous post. Thank you.

Everyone saw your posts. The fact is, they make no sense. You have been told several times. You should fix that.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

What about by air?

How exactly does this happen? Pretty sure smuggling via commercial airlines would be next to impossible. If you mean small cessna style planes used in the USA/Mexico border for smuggling, umm, sit back and really think about the logistics of that. Start with where the nearest guns may be coming from, and how far that is.

Of course Mexico is closer. But in regard to AMOUNT, there are a lot of countries with cartels that account for guns being brought here. I doubt anyone has counted who brings what.

I would have imagined Shamrock would have understood that.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

What about by air?

How exactly does this happen? Pretty sure smuggling via commercial airlines would be next to impossible. If you mean small cessna style planes used in the USA/Mexico border for smuggling, umm, sit back and really think about the logistics of that. Start with where the nearest guns may be coming from, and how far that is.

Of course Mexico is closer. But in regard to AMOUNT, there are a lot of countries with cartels that account for guns being brought here. I doubt anyone has counted who brings what.

What other countries do you mean by "other countries with cartels"?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

Are you intentionally being obtuse to promote your agenda or are you being for real? The United States is the issue not the Americas and we can't control territory North and South of our borders.

Do the terrorists also win when they kill 50 and maim another 50?

Just asking.

They do when the response is a cessation of daily life and the shredding of the constitution. How a disarmed American populace can be taken as anything other than a win for terrorism, on the heels of an act of terrorism, is perplexing.

I didn't advocate any such thing or suggest otherwise.

I asked a simple question.


Tell me, who is celebrating tonight?
Terrorists or gun owners?

that is a sick question.

Excuse me?
Have you been reading what this back and forth pertains to or are you just assuming I brought up celebrations for nothing?

yep. you had answers from two people. different answers, but you got more than you deserved.

I got an answer to a question I didn't ask from 1 person actually.
Which leads me to believe you didn't read the exchange closely enough.

a reply to: reldra

Oh really? To what do you allude? Come out and say it.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: reldra


I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

The Mexican border is the problem, not the Arctic Ocean.

Yes, for you, that is the root of ALL problems. However, that isn't the case. Oddly, even for you. Within minutes you may say Muslims are the root of our problems. Or that Obama is . Or that people from other countries are overstaying Visas (but not mexicans). Or that Liberals and welfare is the problem.

What, exactly, is the problem?

The Mexican border is the problem.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: Jaellma

There have been a number of mass shootings since the gun ban...

Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria. A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang, a student at Monash University

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia. A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales. Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria. A shooting murder of a neighbour family (Greg Holmes, 48, his mother Mary Lockhart, 75, and her husband Peter Lockhart, 78) by Ian Francis Jamieson, 63.[

List of massacres in Australia

The wiki shows 3 incidents since 2002 that involved guns with 13 victims across all of them. 5 of the victims were the result of a murder/suicide in one family. Australila is doing much better.

Australia is surrounded by an ocean with ports which mean that the probability of guns getting in that are illegal are faaar less likely than that in the US where we have unprotected boarders.

You think a member of the Cartel is going to care about our laws if say he wants to run guns across the boarder of Mexico and arm his boys? Nope...he sure isn't. They don't. So that being said, if I am being asked to disarm myself when I have committed no crime and being forced to be less protected and thus a more vulnerable target, I say No way sis....no freaking way.

I think the Americas are surrounded by oceans too, unless I go to the Arctic Circle.

What do the "Americas" in general have to do with the USA?

All land is surrounded by oceans herp derp.

rephrase. I don;t answer posts with herp or derp.

Then don't make comments that call for such a response. The US of America is not surrounded by ocean.

I did not say that.

No, you said the 'Americas".

Why would you even bother with such a response. It has zero bearing on the issue of land borders. You tried some wordplay to create a point. The discussion was about borders in the USA and how easy smuggling into the USA is, and how trying to compare Australia which is a country completely surrounded by water to the USA which has land borders is oranges and apples.

Smuggling via land is much easier than smuggling via water.

What about by air?

How exactly does this happen? Pretty sure smuggling via commercial airlines would be next to impossible. If you mean small cessna style planes used in the USA/Mexico border for smuggling, umm, sit back and really think about the logistics of that. Start with where the nearest guns may be coming from, and how far that is.

Of course Mexico is closer. But in regard to AMOUNT, there are a lot of countries with cartels that account for guns being brought here. I doubt anyone has counted who brings what.

What other countries do you mean by "other countries with cartels"?

Russia, Eastern European countries.