Oh Christian, How is it that you are not persecuted?

It is a wonder to me, oh Christians, that you have become acceptable to the world, and your faith has become approved by the powers and authorities of the world.

Has Satan been bound already? Has evil ceased from this world, and mankind been bound unto righteousness? How then, dis you excape the wrath of the devil, and the fury of his kingdom?

I know not at any time a Church of Christ that was friendly to the world, or approved of its ways and methods, or any such church that fancied the ways of the state and of men.

You American Christians, you are a wonder to me! What manner of faith have you, and what victory you must have won, that you enjoy such peace in the land. What a change the savior must have made, that he should approve of such luxury, and your many, many posessions. What a marvellous change must have come to Christ, during these long 2000 years, that he should clad himself in finery, and build to himself large churches, and great temples, filled with gold, and silver, and fine woods, with all manner of spices, foods, incense, and singing men and women.

Such increase! By reason, with all of this finery, the way of Christ must be the law of the land, for the people praise Him exceedingly, and have grown marvellously fat and rich. There must be more bibles than men, and more Christians than ever before.

What a wonderous peace must exist between the government and the Church of Christ! Has the world been converted, and the government of men reconsiled with Christ, whose word was against all the world, and who was persecuted by both high men and low men. What a marvel must have occured, that the world become friendly towards the word of a man who spoke against it with such fervor and righteousness.

Westerners, you must certainly be a holy people, for our opulance is grand, and your Christian Faith shines like the gilded silver of your altars and crosses.

Oh Happy Christians, tell us of your victory, tell us of your praises, that you have overcome the world, and caused the kingdom of the devil to cease, and won the land from evil! Teach us this song of yours, that we might rejoice in it with our little ones, and bring them to your manner of faith!

Arkaleus

[edit on 16-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Oh Happy Christians, tell us of your victory, tell us of your praises, that you have overcome the world, and caused the kingdom of the devil to cease, and won the land from evil! Teach us this song of yours, that we might rejoice in it with our little ones, and bring them to your manner of faith!

Arkaleus

Satire Ark? If it is I completely agree.
There are many people who label themselves 'christian' as some sort of moral qualification.. but their actions say otherwise.

You who profess no faith at all, how wise you are in your own estimation!

In your short years you have become wiser than a thousand prophets, more insightful that the gurus and sages of a hundred generations!

How you comment on things great and small! How you must be full of understanding, and the prize of the genitle nations, how the law is established in your hand!

Nations must come before you, and bow their head to your honorable crown, for you have become richer than the Sultans, richer than the Shah, richer than even the Khans of China! Your civil honor must exceed even the wise Solomon; even he must yield to your tall buildings and wide streets!

Make way for the secular kings and queens who profess no religion at all! They have made their crown higher than the triple crown of the Roman Father himself, for their nations are far more excellent than even the pompous Church of Rome, and all his ancient finery.

Build us with your science, and explain all mysteries to us, so that we might wean our children upon your magnificent creations, and teach them in your secular and mighty ways!

You who fight wars, how your justice must weigh in the scale of the ages, that you might mete it out without remourse upon the heads of the heathen tribes, so that your shining cities might reign supreme over the councils of the world.

What mercy you have shown, you wise merchants, your people are the rainbows of this fair earth, who bring to them platic dreams of every description! How you have raised up the barbarous tribes to civilization! Your mills and shops are surely their salvation, and they must praise your name night and day for your beneficence towards their nations.

What light your scientific inquiry has brought to the eyes of the benighted nations of the world! Your skill in money is the envy of nations, for by it you have brought the world to great increase, and have spread your way to even the most humble village of the third world.

Arkaleus

Oh father where art thou? From the lowest lands to highest plains! Do you see thy beauty? Oh how joyous it must be to not feel the error of your ways! Your ignorance! Heathens, where art thou glory?

Seriously, get off the soap box. Do you talk like that in person? Just get over it, not everyone believes in Zeus.

Originally posted by Arkaleus

How you comment on things great and small! How you must be full of understanding, and the prize of the genitle nations, how the law is established in your hand!

i'm sorry...genitle nations?

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Nations must come before you, and bow their head to your honorable crown, for you have become richer than the Sultans, richer than the Shah, richer than even the Khans of China! Your civil honor must exceed even the wise Solomon; even he must yield to your tall buildings and wide streets!

khans are from mongolia, not china.

What do you mean Christians aren't persecuted? There is such a double standard! People make fun of Christians all the time. Dare do that to a Muslim(no offence to all the Muslims out there)? Of course not!

Gentile nations: Western Nations

Chinese Khans:

uk.encarta.msn.com...

The khans ruled China for quite some time, and they grew exceptionally wealthy.



[edit on 16-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
You American Christians, you are a wonder to me! What manner of faith have you, and what victory you must have won, that you enjoy such peace in the land. What a change the savior must have made, that he should approve of such luxury, and your many, many posessions. What a marvellous change must have come to Christ, during these long 2000 years, that he should clad himself in finery, and build to himself large churches, and great temples, filled with gold, and silver, and fine woods, with all manner of spices, foods, incense, and singing men and women.

There has been no change in Christ. There has, however, been a definite change in many who consider themselves Christian. These people forget that Christ said that his followers should care for the poor and should serve others. Instead they place themselves above those less fortunate, they live for their possessions, their cars, houses, bank accounts. They are nothing more than hypocrites.

Just because a person says that he or she is a Christian doesn't necessarily mean that they are. True Christians follow Christ. Hypocrites, the whitewashed sepulchres, appear to do so, but inside they serve money, power and their own greed.

By their fruit will you know them.

One of the most innovative ideas I'v ever found was the notion that Christ would have an active interest, even an active hand in the events of our society. We keep thinking of Christ in 1st century terms. It's silly, why not ask Christ about Space travel? You believe in him? Why don't you act like it? Why not address his great and wise mind as though you REALLY believed? That's the challenge I pose to "Christians."

I asked about these things, and I found out there WAS activity that NO ONE had bothered to consider before. Christ has been steadily organizing and finishing a marvellous work this whole time, a new government, a whole new kind of society. He really is a living spirit, and there's lots of stuff going to happen from the result of his efforts and of all the immortal ones.

Arky

We keep thinking of Christ in 1st century terms. It's silly, why not ask Christ about Space travel? You believe in him? Why don't you act like it? Why not address his great and wise mind as though you REALLY believed? That's the challenge I pose to "Christians."

Thats an intresting concept. What did he tell you about space travel last wednesday?

I have been inquiring into such matters for some years now. The answers have become so clear to me as to cause me to take up a whole new cause, and to weave the flag of an entirely new nation from whole cloth, for the ones present upon the earth are not sufficient to build our task.

It is the reasoning of the Prime Souls that I sought after, whose wisdom is filling and most wholesome!

I was taught at some length the whole business of civilization, and how it has been nursed through the ages by these wise and good souls, even God Himself, and these agencies themselves form a spiritual government and order of vast scale and power, of which mankind has only limited knowledge. We refer to the Godhead, the Heavens, etc, but has anyone really approached the matter with faith and reason, and endeavored to describe and translate the fullness of their heavenly natures? Not in my time anyway, or at least, not in my language.

I found that the Godhead was also concerned with practical matters, and were themselves the authors of civilized thought, even from its infancy. I learned that there were many competing powers, lesser gods as it were, who were quite ignorant of the true nature of the universe, and were obsessed with this earth, and ignorantly blundered through the ages pretending to be the rulers of this realm.

Part of the work of Christ was to guide and prepare the world to shrug off these silly charlatans, and to obtain his Liberty at last from these tyrannical forces that have overshadowed us for so long. Their spiritual nature and how they manipulated spiritual forces to control mankind and intimidate our races became apparent to me, and what I observed agreed with the observations of many ancient books, including the newly revealed Gnostic books, which are very precise in their descriptions of these forces and their negative effects on the Liberty of mankind and his future.

I also found that one of the reasons why our present society has stopped dreaming and thinking about the future was that these forces have awakened to the understanding that their time is finally coming to a close, and they will no longer be able to hold rule over our world anymore. They have attempted to stop mankind back into the bottle, as it were, and arrest his development further, as if they were able to restrain a process of which they have no understanding. The futile efforts of the demonic elite, who have collaborated with wealthy and elite humans will be to create a world-prison society, where our minds and senses are imprisoned in a technological fantasy world of consumption, production, and low-level awareness. In effect, they are trying to stop the whole progress of civilization, and bottle it up for their own foolish, selfish use. The Light of the Christ has overcome the darkness of these ignorant and oppressive spiritual forces, and the will of His Holy Lordship is about to be fulfilled in our time.

Our human potential is well addressed in the gnostic books, where their wise authors explain that our nature is higher than these "gods" who pretend to be our rulers, and who oppressed the Christ during his human ministry, and continue to rule and manipulate us today. They knew that we were greater, and could attain higher levels of power and divinity than they would be able to, and they believed firmly in the prophecy of the Second Coming of the Christ, which they illuminated much more clearly than the Canonical Book of Revelations, which was quite obtuse and general. They indicated that at the time of His coming, the systems of power and control these quasi-divine beings have erected over this earth would be collapsed and destroyed, and their power expended and purified. Mankind himself would be purified, and a whole new kingdom established, where Christ and the Godhead would erect the foundation of a whole New world. That's where the ancients left off, so that's where I began my inquiry.

Now it is reasonable that we must apply the technology and science we have attained during the last age, which has enabled us to consider the movement into that vast reaches of space, even as the old colonists of former ages did, to the great benefit of civilization. It is likewise commendable to expand again, this time much more so, so that our kind might inherit the other worlds prepared by the providence of God, whose works are that of Life and Light, and whose Great and Ineffable cause has made the whole Universe to Live and Shine.

We, the living, are the fortunate sons of this destiny, who are alive at the turn of events that lead into this new establishment. I learned that our great cause as brothers and men was no more to be spent upon the dead and decaying institutions of old, but were to establish greater and more complete things for our future, and that Christ and the Prime Ones of Heaven would assist us in this grand endeavor. In short, we were going to lay the foundation of a wholly new world, a world of unbounded knowledge and unprecedented Liberty.

This revelation will shine in your eyes as the truth, because you probably have never allowed yourself to think of Christ and God in these real terms before. He was always far away in your traditions, and these rituals were old and stale to you. Once you begin to think of Christ as I have, you will immediately emerge from this darkness, and will discover the True Christ, as I have done, and your mind will instantly begin opening and receiving the Light of His Great and Shining Kingdom.

Christ would be well able to address our modern issues. He will answer you through your own reason, assisted by the Angels of Mind and Spirit. I testify to you that Christ has made himself available to us modern westerners, in a way that will surpass all the ancients, for that was his word and style. Even us, who never knew him, who are not Jewish, who never learned what holiness was because of the evil done to us by our society.

I have rebelled against the old, because Christ has brought me new, and I have found His truth sweeter than all the lies and illusions of the old world. Find what I have found, and free your mind to again fly into the future, as our fathers did when they dreamt of going to orbit, and to the moon, and then did so in the twinkling of an eye.

It was that rapid progression that earned us the envy of these jealous powers, and it is that envy that shall be their drink before they are themselves overcome and removed. Understand and join the Righteous!

Once people's minds absorb what I am speaking about, they will shake off their wine, and awaken, and find strength in them where it was never before, and their senses will be restored to them. They will become in tune with the Glory Christ is bringing to this world, and of his Great and Excellent Gift of the final stage of our earthly and spiritual civilization.

It is not an end for us, brothers, but and end to the wicked, and an end to the evil nations of this world, who have attempted to overcome the power and will of God in these glorious days, and if possible, to enslave us all in their nightmare of design and bloodshed.

Awaken!

Arkaleus

Originally posted by instar

We keep thinking of Christ in 1st century terms. It's silly, why not ask Christ about Space travel? You believe in him? Why don't you act like it? Why not address his great and wise mind as though you REALLY believed? That's the challenge I pose to "Christians."

Thats an intresting concept. What did he tell you about space travel last wednesday?

A very fine early morn' to you!

What you speak... and things you have thirsted and wondered about for the 'spirit' to answer you to see if I am a truthful spirit...are excellent and
very telling of your knowledge.
I can tell you that the words I use and the words you use are very different and on a different intellect.
I prefer to speak to the people on their level, and not in words that they will not understand as of yet, and may not understand at all.
To you I say, as surely, as the 'Spirit" speaks the truth , I speak this to you.
Only you truly understand the trying days of Noah, The Ark of Heaven”, The Ark of Noah, and the Ark of the Covenant. Just as the celestial boat and the wonderful and mystical place that we are bound for.The place that is beyond here, where it shines, and where we will call home.
We are going to a distant universe, that we have been to before, in the days when we landed at the "Black Sea". the day is coming and I am to tell you, that I am a woman, not a man, just as surely as Saturn had Venus, you have me. But that now, I am to speak to others in a different language, one they will know.
The day will come when I will speak great things, and when the 'spirit' tells me to speak I must do so without hesitation. I am fighting for Jesus, and am fighting to save the ones who yet do not understand, but will through what they hear, and what will weigh on their hearts. They will seek the truth...and in time my friend they will know the truth.
Realorritt

Originally posted by Arkaleus
You who profess no faith at all, how wise you are in your own estimation!

I've never said I do not have faith.. but it does not immediately mean it is in a god. 'He' does not have a manopoly on faith.

Make way for the secular kings and queens who profess no religion at all! They have made their crown higher than the triple crown of the Roman Father himself, for their nations are far more excellent than even the pompous Church of Rome, and all his ancient finery.

What is so admirable in suffering to honour 'god' when we do not respect the thing he supposedly created?

You who fight wars, how your justice must weigh in the scale of the ages, that you might mete it out without remourse upon the heads of the heathen tribes, so that your shining cities might reign supreme over the councils of the world.

So the crusades never happened? Where is the nobility in slaughtering life for 'god'? Why is it just?

You remind me of a little wind up toy.
You speak of sinners and serpents.. yet never have I seen words of compassion or love from you. You speak of Jesus yet you condemn.. you speak of spreading his word but I only hear your own.
Hypocricey negates anything of value you have to say.

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I am often disturbed of the decay of the English language in my people. I am moved to great compassion for this, because it has rendered my people unable to read books older than 40 or so years old.

This also has the effect off cutting off their minds from those wise spirits who use older forms of language.

I often complain inwardly about this condition, and I place the blame for it squarely on TELEVISION. I hate that infernal contraption, because it is directly responsible for the downward trend in American intellect, and has removed our language skills from us and made us almost incapable of reasoning in the fullness of our native language.

I cannot lower myself to speak, because that is not my purpose, I have come to those who CAN hear me, because I will only give my gift to such persons, because that is whom God has prepared for it. Others who cannot read or understand my words belong in different realms, and I am done with my concern for them.

There may be another form of language I will bring to them, which is art and visual expression, but I am not skilled in that expression, and must have others do this for me. But they must wait, and receive it later on, because I have come to those I was sent.

Realorrit, you are a girl? Joy of Joys! You have found yourself in possession of a male spirit, which is a wise and good one, and it is an ancient Christian Tradition that only those faithful females who truly are led to Christ have such. It was said that if a women would approach the Throne of Holy God, the Ark of Wisdom, that she must make herself male, and that is how it is done. Well done! To such women I give the name "sister" and truly mean it.

Such rare treasure I find in the children of this world. Who has given us such things, that we might be rich, and our poverty taken away? The faithful will know.

Arkaleus

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I am often disturbed of the decay of the English language in my people. I am moved to great compassion for this, because it has rendered my people unable to read books older than 40 or so years old.

No. your posts are just boring and people don't like having to read a thousands words of what could be said in a paragraph.

Realorrit, you are a girl? Joy of Joys! You have found yourself in possession of a male spirit, which is a wise and good one, and it is an ancient Christian Tradition that only those faithful females who truly are led to Christ have such. It was said that if a women would approach the Throne of Holy God, the Ark of Wisdom, that she must make herself male, and that is how it is done. Well done! To such women I give the name "sister" and truly mean it.

You are back on the misoginigist crap again? How can a spirit be male Ark? Gender is biological.. part of the vessel. A spirit is suppose to be eternal.. neither male or female.

And to call males morally superior.. you'd have to kind of ignore all the distruction that they have caused throughout history. Was Hitler female? :shk:
Well I guess so long as you've got someone to feel superior too.. god knows you seem to need it.

[edit on 17-1-2005 by riley]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I am often disturbed of the decay of the English language in my people. I am moved to great compassion for this, because it has rendered my people unable to read books older than 40 or so years old.

Well, that all depends on how far back you go! In English class, we read the play "Macbeth". For anyone that doesn't know, it's an old shakespearean play. It's written in old english - OLD English. At first, it was diffucult to understand. I picked up on it quickly and can now understand it almost as well as modern day English. English has always been changing. Like I said, look at an old Shakespearean play, then look at our English from 50 years ago. The Americans from 50 years ago most-likely wouldn't be able to understand Shakespearean English, and this was before T.V!

Check out this site, you Artless, hasty witted pigeon egg!

Shakespearean list of insults.

There's also one that makes up insults for you, but I don't like it as much.

Originally posted by Herman
[Well, that all depends on how far back you go! In English class, we read the play "Macbeth".

Yes.. but Shakesphere actually makes sense.. every phrase contains a miriad of meanings and interpitations. He crafted the human language as a sculpter would chisel stone.
Comparing ark's way of writing to his?:



[I couldn't have put it anymore elequently than that]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I cannot lower myself to speak, because that is not my purpose, I have come to those who CAN hear me, because I will only give my gift to such persons, because that is whom God has prepared for it. Others who cannot read or understand my words belong in different realms, and I am done with my concern for them.

It’s a shame you feel this way. The Bible tells us to be plain spoken when recording his words or speaking them. If you don’t speak in a manner that the majority can understand how can you expect to spread his word to the majority?

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Habakkuk 2:2
The LORD 's Answer

Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald or so that whoever reads it may run with it.

Numbers 12:8

With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD .

1 Samuel 2:3

Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed.

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Christians need to be humble when speaking of or about God and his word. Your quoted statement above makes me question some things about you. To me what you said goes against everything Jesus taught. You seem to have this desire to separate and raise yourself above most of Gods children. For you to say “Others who cannot read or understand my words belong in different realms, and I am done with my concern for them.” is completely offensive and so far from Christianity I’m not sure what religion it would fall under. I believe we are all in the same realm regardless of our education level or love and understanding of seventeenth-century English.

Who are the people in your realm? How is it you are raised above God’s children? Is a sinner no longer a child of God? Will he not receive salvation from the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

I am impatient with the wickednes of mankind, and the faithlessness of my people.

My words are plain english. They contain no riddles, I will gladly explain things that people ask me to. I am honest in my speaking, I am not concealing things from you, trying to be clever. You misread my intent, because you do not understand the spirit in which I come.

If they seem like riddles, then I offer that you are being told things that your mind cannot encompass, and should leave it at that. Just as I cannot explain General relativity to some people, I cannot explain the Celestial Mysteries to others.

The devil and his children are steadily at work trying to distract our work, and I am quite ready to be done with them. They are the ones who reply and question and doubt, no amount of explanation will get through to them. They are merely ANGRY that these things are being discussed, and attack the messenger, because the messenger bears what they hate, which is the Spirit of God. Their war is not really with me, or others who speak this way, but with God, and with that I can offer no assitance at all.

I cannot transmute gold into garbage, and and cannot transmute garbage into gold. There is simply nothing that can be done for those whom have already been cast away.

I have come to offer you the standard of truth, and if you cannot raise yourself up to attain it, I will not lower it to satisfy you.

Jesus didn't give his teachings to every schmuck that wandered up to see the strange man walking by. You in your modern senses imagine him to be some kind of welfare agent from above, giving out the dole to every open mouth, or casting the pearls of heaven before the mouths of kine.

It is furthermore indemic to your race that you consider your understanding of Jesus to be full, that you have wisdom concerning the Children of God, or that you think they are all the same as yourself. You are one of the faithless moderns, who consider the saints to be gone, and the prophets dead, and all mankind to be under the same damnation as yourself.

Jesus spoke against your kind then, and I do today, and for this you will be furious with me, just as they were when Jesus walked among the faithless ones of Israel. You will fall into your proper place, which is among these other ones, because you belong there, and will find yourself in the same frustration as they.

Arkaleus

PS.

Kinglizard, I would know the truth of you, are you a Jew? And if not, why do you come to me with their writings and laws?


[edit on 17-1-2005 by Arkaleus]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
The devil and his children are steadily at work trying to distract our work, and I am quite ready to be done with them. They are the ones who reply and question and doubt, no amount of explanation will get through to them.

SO now I’m a child of Satan? You shouldn’t be casting stones considering your spiteful malicious words. Is this the message you wish to convey to the people of “your realm?” Because you don’t have a very good grasp of Jesus teachings you want to condemn me to hell? You are suspect and not much of a teacher of my faith, I wish better for you…

Originally posted by Arkaleus
There is simply nothing that can be done for those whom have already been cast away.

I didn’t realize that the Bible had been rewritten. Looks like I need to get your updated version.

My Bible says that we will stand before the Lord and be judged according to the works we perform. I am not dead, revelations have not started and Jesus has yet to return yet you say all of humanity has already been judged or cast away? Can I find this in the good book of Arkaleus? Why don’t we look at true scripture to see what God says…

Revelation 20:12-13

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I have come to offer you the standard of truth, and if you cannot raise yourself up to attain it, I will not lower it to satisfy you.

I’m not looking for YOUR “standard of truth”, I will find my truth in the Bible. Thanks anyway…

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Jesus didn't give his teachings to every schmuck that wandered up to see the strange man walking by.

Oh so only a select few were deemed worthy to receive his word. Can you tell me who the “schmucks” were? While it’s true that he preached his word to the Jews first his message was to the world, this includes everyone.

Originally posted by Arkaleus
You in your modern senses imagine him to be some kind of welfare agent from above, giving out the dole to every open mouth, or casting the pearls of heaven before the mouths of kine.

Yes he was a welfare agent. Do you not remember that he died on the cross and was resurrected to save all of humanity for all time from their own sins? This was the ultimate gift from the ultimate welfare agent. You are waaay off…

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Jesus spoke against your kind then, and I do today, and for this you will be furious with me, just as they were when Jesus walked among the faithless ones of Israel. You will fall into your proper place, which is among these other ones, because you belong there, and will find yourself in the same frustration as they.

I’m not furious with you. I pray that you will gain a better understanding of the Bible and the love he has for ALL of his children.

Originally posted by Arkaleus
PS.

Kinglizard, I would know the truth of you, are you a Jew? And if not, why do you come to me with their writings and laws?

No I’m not a Jew. The Old Testament is still part of the Bible even though the New Testament is our new covenant with God.


[edit on 17-1-2005 by kinglizard]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I am impatient with the wickednes of mankind, and the faithlessness of my people.

Our world has no faith and if it did would it be the right one? Most of those among us trick themselves into believing that they have faith, that they have true faith.

Faith in Christ and righteousness has bled from our once beautiful Earth. So it will be for many years to come.

Truth is simply an ideal now. It also has bled from our Earth. A lie told often becomes the truth and fact is now only an opinion held by many people.

Our world has faded into a state of materialism. Most of us are the same. Just faces in the crowd. Hope for some more grey and less black and white.